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Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 10 Jan 2010, 17:44

All of you were so helpful to me in the past that I had to write again!

My grandfather, Pellegrino Disarno was born in 1883 in Monteforte, Italy. I only know this as I found his Draft Registration card on line and all of the information matches.

He married Mary Farina and they proceeded to have 10 children, the youngest having been born in 1931 in Brooklyn, NY (my mother Pauline).

One would think with all of those family members that I could find them in a census somewhere! They seem to have disappeared OR never existed! I cant find on a ship manifest either.

Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Jeanne

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby johnnyonthespot » 10 Jan 2010, 17:58

jeanneicolari wrote:All of you were so helpful to me in the past that I had to write again!

My grandfather, Pellegrino Disarno was born in 1883 in Monteforte, Italy. I only know this as I found his Draft Registration card on line and all of the information matches.

He married Mary Farina and they proceeded to have 10 children, the youngest having been born in 1931 in Brooklyn, NY (my mother Pauline).

One would think with all of those family members that I could find them in a census somewhere! They seem to have disappeared OR never existed! I cant find on a ship manifest either.

Any ideas/suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Jeanne


In Italian, there is no such name as "Disarno". On the other hand, "Di Sarno" is somewhat common with 524 listings in the Italian telephone directory.
So, as a start, I would suggest you search for Di Sarno, not Disarno. You might also try De Sarno.

Where did they live in the US?

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 10 Jan 2010, 18:02

Thank you for that tip. I live in New York.

All the best,
Jeanne

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby johnnyonthespot » 10 Jan 2010, 18:02

Sorry, I see Brooklyn... Do you know the names of any other children in the family?

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 10 Jan 2010, 18:06

My mother was Pauline, born in 1931 and she is the youngest, so there was
Andrew,Michael, Victor, Marie, Elena, Caroline, Angelina, Albert. They were all born in NY.

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 10 Jan 2010, 18:13

Hi!
Does this record belong to your family?

Index Card

Publication Number: M1164
Publication Title: Index to the Naturalization Petitions of the United States District Court
for the Eastern District of New York, 1865-1957
Publisher: NARA
Date Range: Nov 1925-Dec 1957
State: New York
Court: US District Court, Brooklyn, N.Y.
Admission Year: 1944
Immigrant Full Name: DI SARNO, Pellegrino Paul
Age: 58

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 10 Jan 2010, 18:31

Yes, that is my grandfather.

Thanks, Jeanne

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 10 Jan 2010, 18:34

Thanks Jeanne,
Is this the card you found?
Thank you
Valarie

1942 WWII Draft Registration Card

Pelligrino Paul Di Sarno
17 Nov 1885 in Monteforte
Angelina Di Sarno at 604 Autumn Ave
(daughter?)
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This is probably his WWI Card
In Manhattan, New York County in 1918

1918 WWI Draft Registration Card

Pillegrino Dsesarno 33
145 Thompson Street
Manhattan, New York, NY
17 Nov 1885
non-declarant
Longshoreman
(?) Steamship Line
wife Mary DeSarno

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 10 Jan 2010, 20:45

possible 1902 manifest

Name: Pellegrino Sarno
Arrival Date: 23 Dec 1902
Estimated birth year: abt 1885 Age: 17
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Trave
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 21 Microfilm Serial: 15 Microfilm Roll: T715_314 Page Number: 177

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In Manhattan in 1906?

Name/ Marriage Date/ Marriage Certificate Number/ County

Sarno Pellegrino 24 May 1906 12525 (1906) Manhattan
Forino Mary 24 May 1906 12525 (1906) Manhattan

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 10 Jan 2010, 21:11

In 1910, Paul & Mary with 3 children living with Mary's parents & uncle

possible 1910 census

Home in 1910:
20 Varick Street, rents house
Manhattan Ward 5, New York, New York

head Carmine Fama (Farina?) 52, abt 1858 IT
- married 28 yrs, abt 1882
- immig 1883, Na
wife Marie C Fama 48, abt 1862 IT
- 10 children born, 6 children living
- immig 1887
daughter Elizabeth Fama 14, abt 1896 NY
daughter Florence Fama 13, abt 1897 NY
son Louis Fama 11, abt 1899 NY
daughter Rosie Fama 9, abt 1901 NY

son-in-law Paul Desana (Di Sarno?) 24, abt 1886 IT
- married 4 yrs, abt 1906
- immig 1903, Pa
- laborer, railroad
daughter Mary Desana 20, abt 1890 NY
- 3 children
grandson Andrew Desana 3, abt 1907 NY
grandson Anglo Desana 1 7/12, abt 1908 NY
granddaughter Marie D Desana 5/12, abt 1909 NY

brother Anglo Fama 72 (?), abt 1838 IT
- single
- immig 1883, Al
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Bad transcription on ancestry
Same address as 1918 WWI Card

1920 census

Home in 1920:
145 Thompson Street
Manhattan Assembly District 2, New York, New York

head Paul Ladano (Desano) 33, abt 1887 IT
- immig 1903, Pa
- laborer, grocery
wife Mary Ladano 29, abt 1891 IT
- immig 1903
son Andrew Ladano 13, abt 1907 NY
son Angelo Ladano 12, abt 1908 NY
daughter Clara (Lena) Ladano 10, abt 1910 NY
daughter Angelina Ladano 8, abt 1912 NY
son Albert Ladano 2 9/12, abt 1917 NY
daughter Helen Ladano 2, abt 1918 NY
son Victor Ladano 2/12, abt 1919 NY

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 10 Jan 2010, 23:02

FARINA/O

Mary and parents in Manhattan 1900

possible 1900 census

Home in 1900:
68 Varick Street, rents
Manhattan, New York, New York

head Carmine Felino 40, Mar 1860 IT
- married 18 yrs, abt 1882
- immig 1881, in US 19 yrs, NA
- sweeper
wife Carmella Felino 36, Sep 1863 IT
- 5 children
- immig 1881
daughter Maria Felino 10, Jul 1889 NY
daughter Lizzie Felino 5, Aug 1894 NY
daughter Fioriani Felino 3, Jan 1897 NY
son Louis Felino 1, Jan 1899 NY
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from footnote. com

Carmine Farino's 1907 Petition for Naturalization
found an earlier Index Card for the same address for 1894 it was stamped cancelled
birth date for son Louis matches his WWI Card

1907 Petition

Publication Number: M1972
Publication Title: Petitions for Naturalization of the US District Court for the
Southern District of New York, 1897-1944
Content Source: NARA
State: New York
Court: Southern District
Language: English
Birth Country: Italy
Document Date Year: 1907
Surname: Farino
Given Name: Carmino
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization

notes:
address: 38 Beach Street New York
occupation: Longshoreman
born: 4 Mar 1858 in Monteforte
emigrated: 10 Apr 1883 to NY on ship Trinacria(?)
wife: Maria
children:
Maggie Camanso(?) 18 Dec 1882 in Monteforte living in Schenectady
Mary Sarno 21 Jun 1890 in NY City living at 38 Beach Street
Lizzie Farino 21 Oct 1895 in NY City
Florrie(?) Farino 3 Jan 1897 in NY City
Louis Farino 12 Feb 1899 in NY City
Rosie Farino 5 Dec 1900 in NY City

attached, a typed note abt fradulent certificate obtained by Southern District Court in 1894
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Mary's brother Louis in 1918
In Manhattan, same address as 1910 census

1918 WWI Draft Registration Card

Louis Farino
211 Varick Street
Manhattan NY NY
12 Feb 1899
native born
Marie Farino same address (mother?)

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 11 Jan 2010, 15:48

So I need to know how you all come up with this info? Is it years of experience? How do you know what to search for and where? Are there other websites I need to look at besides Ancestry? I find this a little challenging!

We are having a small cousin get together on Saturday and wanted to find some information to bring with me and this will work!

I suppose practice makes perfect! Thank you all again.

Blessings,
Jeanne

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 11 Jan 2010, 15:59

Hi Jeanne!
All of the records except the petition and marriages are on ancestry. com
Since you couldn't locate your family using the correct last name, I tried searching in probable locations (NY county) with only first names and approximate birth dates.
Ancestry is great for locating family.
County and State agencies are next steps for actual vital records.
Valarie

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby vj » 12 Jan 2010, 15:44

jeanneicolari wrote:...Are there other websites I need to look at besides Ancestry?...


If you haven’t used these, they may help you locate New York City records:

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records 1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948
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Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Re: Lost my family!

Postby jeanneicolari » 14 Jan 2010, 15:53

Thank you so much for all of your help. I have found out quite a bit of information.

Jeanne


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