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Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby jwazevedo » 09 Mar 2010, 06:45

I've been unsuccessful in finding the immigration record of my great-grandmother and her daughter, and I could use some ideas.

My GGM was born as Giovanna Maria Poncia in Garzeno, Como, Italy, on 19 May 1877. She married Domenico Celeste Poncia on 27 May 1900. Later that year, he immigrated to the States, ending up in Northern California. Giovanna stayed behind, had a child, Maria, born 23 Feb 1901. Then the mother and daughter immigrated to join Domenico in California.

The various census records from 1910 and 1920 indicate that Giovanna and Maria immigrated in 1902. I've used the Morse pages to search the Ellis Island database for them, using various spellings and wildcards and combinations of years, but I come up empty. What now??

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby liviomoreno » 09 Mar 2010, 07:25

Her maiden name and her married name are both Poncia?

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby suanj » 09 Mar 2010, 10:26

Yes Livio, the spouses had same surname:
Como e Lecco, Lombardia, Italia: Registri di stato civile, 1866-1936 Como and Lecco, Lombardy, Italy, Civil Registration Records, 1866-1936
about Celeste Poncia
Name: Celeste Poncia
Father: Pietro
Mother: Carolina Pozzi
Spouse: Giovanna Poncia
Record Type: Matrimonio
Date: 27 mag 1900 (27 May 1900)
City: Garzeno
County: Como
Country: Italia (Italy)

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 14:02

edit, Not the Correct Family

Not sure that this manifest is possible if the family was together in CA in 1910. Perhaps they are related?

Mother and two daughters from Garzeno joining a Domenico Poncia in CA

interesting 1910 manifest
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0023

page 2
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0023

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby suanj » 09 Mar 2010, 14:18

Hi Valarie, in april 1910 the family was in USA:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Cellsti Poncia
Name: Cellsti Poncia
[Celeste Poncia]
Age in 1910: 32
[33]
Estimated birth year: abt 1878
[abt 1877]
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Jonnie
Home in 1910: Bodega, Sonoma, California
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1900
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Cellsti Poncia 32
[33]
Jonnie Poncia 31
Mary Poncia 10
Peter Poncia 8
Caroline Poncia 7
Erminie Poncia 5
Romilda Poncia 3
Romilo Poncia 2
Baby Poncia 7/12


only the oldest daughter, Maria, was born in Italy, all other children born in California... I searched, but really I think that in some way the surname maybe is misspelled on ellisisland... I searched by various spelling and no luck... seeming that Celeste, Giovanna and little Maria emigrated all in 1901....
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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby pink67 » 09 Mar 2010, 14:23

Possible December 1900's arrival for Domenico Celeste Poncia?

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0025

Me too no luck with his wife and daughter's arrival manifest.... :(

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 15:49

Hello!
suanj :D, thank you for posting the census!
You're right, the 1910 manifest couldn't be theirs.
Thank you!
Valarie

Jerry,
are these dates correct?
children:
Mary Poncia born 23/24 Feb 1901 IT
Peter Poncia born 3 Feb 1903 CA

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby jwazevedo » 09 Mar 2010, 16:18

"are these dates correct?
children:
Mary Poncia born 24 Feb 1901 IT
Peter Poncia born 3 Feb 1903 CA
Thank you"

Yes, those are the right children. (Mary was actually born on the 23rd, but the record date is the 24th.)

Thank you all for thinking about this. The husband definitely immigrated alone in 1900, according to his manifest, and his wife and daughter had to have shown up and before mid-1902, given Peter's birthdate in California. But when and how?

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 16:22

Jerry
I think this is it
Lines 29-30
Valarie

possible 1902 manifest

On ancestry:

21 April 1902, SS La Gascogne, Havre to NY
lines 29-30

Gurania Tonia 23 (male)
Maria Tonia 1

On Ellis:

JONUA, GIOVAINIA 23 FROM GARSONA
JONUA, MARIA 1 FROM GASONA

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby jwazevedo » 09 Mar 2010, 16:27

Thank you, VJ! I'm anxious to see this, but the link is not working for me. Any chance of posting the text manifest so that I could get to it by ship/date on Ellis Island? (Sorry!)
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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby jwazevedo » 09 Mar 2010, 16:28

Oops, I see the full message now. I'm going there right away.
Thank you!!
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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 16:31

Jerry, I added the Ellis info after you posted, here's a link
Valarie
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0029

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby pink67 » 09 Mar 2010, 16:34

Valarie! :D Really a great find :!:
Yes, the handwriting is ok!

Congrats!

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby vj » 09 Mar 2010, 16:37

Thank you Laura :D !

Search was by town only
Search Town: GAR
Years: 1901-1902
Gender: Female
Italy

Lucky not many towns begin with Gar :wink: !

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Re: Immigration of Giovanna Poncia and daughter Maria

Postby jwazevedo » 09 Mar 2010, 16:39

That's it, Valerie! Passage paid by husband/father Celeste. This missing piece of the family story has been bedeviling me for months. I don't know how you thought to look for "Tonia" or "Jonua", but I'm so glad you did. Thank you very much.
Jerry


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