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Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby RizRich » 03 Apr 2010, 14:42

I have re-started researching the Family Tree that I started in the late 90's. Once I reach the Ellis Island and the Italy search I reach a block. I have input all my data into Roots Magic.

Listed in the subject line are the names I have come up with on my Father's side. My father was born Frank Rizzo on July 4, 1913 in Elmora, NY. His father was named Giovanni "John" Rizzo or Ritz, born 9-5-1876 in Italy, died 5-16-1957 in Glassboro, NJ.

His mother was Rose D'Angelo, born 2-17-1877 in Italy, died 11-9-1953 in Glassboro, NJ. Her parents were Peter (Pietro) D'Angelo and Victoria Venuto.

I do not have the town/s where they were born or the year the emigrated from Italy. I believe they initially lived in Sicily.

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I have been on the Ellis Island website, but I find it difficult to pinpoint who I am looking for.

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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby suanj » 03 Apr 2010, 15:59

RizRich wrote:I have re-started researching the Family Tree that I started in the late 90's. Once I reach the Ellis Island and the Italy search I reach a block. I have input all my data into Roots Magic.

Listed in the subject line are the names I have come up with on my Father's side. My father was born Frank Rizzo on July 4, 1913 in Elmora, NY. His father was named Giovanni "John" Rizzo or Ritz, born 9-5-1876 in Italy, died 5-16-1957 in Glassboro, NJ.

His mother was Rose D'Angelo, born 2-17-1877 in Italy, died 11-9-1953 in Glassboro, NJ. Her parents were Peter (Pietro) D'Angelo and Victoria Venuto.

I do not have the town/s where they were born or the year the emigrated from Italy. I believe they initially lived in Sicily.

Can anyone point me in the right direction. I have been on the Ellis Island website, but I find it difficult to pinpoint who I am looking for.

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U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about John Ritz
Name: John Ritz
Birth Date: 18 Sep 1877
Birth Place: Gualtiri Ticomino
Residence: Glo, New Jersey
Race: White
Roll: WWII_2383046

the birthdate is a bit different, but no doubt that is your ancestor, born in
Gualtieri Sicaminò ( Messina province, Sicily, IT); wife Rose-Glassboro, NJ
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/7950/johnritz.jpg
census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about John Ritz
Name: John Ritz
Home in 1930: Glassboro, Gloucester, New Jersey
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Age: 53
Estimated birth year: abt 1877
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Rosa
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

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Parents' birthplace: View image
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Household Members: Name Age
John Ritz 53 imm. 1913 alien
Rosa Ritz 52 imm 1914, alien
Frank Ritz 16
John Ritz 14
Tony Ritz 11

the children: all born in Pennsylvania
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/119/1930johnritz.jpg

you can try the the civil records by Mormon's microfilms :

Topic Italy, Messina, Gualtieri Sicaminò - Civil registration

Titles Registri dello stato civile, 1820-1910 Gualtieri Sicaminò (Messina). Ufficio dello stato civile
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... umns=*,0,0

you can request the birth act of Giovanni Rizzo writing
Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza Duomo
98040 Gualtieri Sicaminò (ME)
Italy

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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby RizRich » 03 Apr 2010, 23:15

Thank you, this is very useful. I know that Tony used the last name of Ritz, but everyone else used the last name Rizzo. I was told that his last name was written wrong on his birth certificate and it was never changed.

There are 2 older brothers and 2 older sisters, but based on their DOB, they were probably all married in 1930, and living in North Jersey.

One thing I am not sure about are the immigration dates. Frank was born in 1913 in Pennsylvania, but the census says John came here in 1913 and Rose came here in 1914. But the age of the three brothers is correct. I have not been able to find out when John & Rose came to the US.

Thank you again for your help.

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Postby suanj » 04 Apr 2010, 13:43

You are right abt the discrepance of immigration date; but in the censuses it are some error... it could be helpful to find the 1920 census, for to know the more right immigration year, but I cannot find it..
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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby vj » 04 Apr 2010, 15:12

suanj wrote:... but in the censuses it are some error... it could be helpful to find the 1920 census, for to know the more right immigration year... suanj


This may help
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possible 1920 census
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9782/1920w.jpg
next page
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5093/192001.jpg

Home in 1920:
West Carroll, Cambria, Pennsylvania

head John Reitz 42, abt 1878 IT
- immig ?, Naturalized 1918
- miner, coal mine
wife Rose Reitz 39, abt 1881 IT
- immig 1904
son Joseph Reitz 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1903/4
- miner, coal mine
daughter (?) Reitz 15, abt 1905 PA
daughter Victoria Reitz 13, abt 1907 PA
son Peter Reitz 11, abt 1909 PA
son Frank Reitz 6, abt 1914 PA
son John Reitz 4, abt 1916 PA
son Toney Reitz 1, abt 1919 PA

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Postby suanj » 04 Apr 2010, 15:33

suanj wrote:You are right abt the discrepance of immigration date; but in the censuses it are some error... it could be helpful to find the 1920 census, for to know the more right immigration year, but I cannot find it..
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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby suanj » 04 Apr 2010, 15:42

vj wrote:
suanj wrote:... but in the censuses it are some error... it could be helpful to find the 1920 census, for to know the more right immigration year... suanj


This may help
Hi suanj! :D
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possible 1920 census
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/9782/1920w.jpg
next page
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/5093/192001.jpg

Home in 1920:
West Carroll, Cambria, Pennsylvania

head John Reitz 42, abt 1878 IT
- immig ?, Naturalized 1918
- miner, coal mine
wife Rose Reitz 39, abt 1881 IT
- immig 1904
son Joseph Reitz 18, abt 1902 IT
- immig 1903/4
- miner, coal mine
daughter (?) Reitz 15, abt 1905 PA
daughter Victoria Reitz 13, abt 1907 PA
son Peter Reitz 11, abt 1909 PA
son Frank Reitz 6, abt 1914 PA
son John Reitz 4, abt 1916 PA
son Toney Reitz 1, abt 1919 PA

Hi Valarie,
seeming right census!
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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby vj » 04 Apr 2010, 21:40

Thank you suanj :D - you provided the clues.
Perhaps we can find a manifest.
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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby RizRich » 05 Apr 2010, 00:49

Thank you again for the information. Again, this is very helpful. It looks like they came here in 1904, which seems correct, since Joseph was born in 1903 and Clara was born in PA in 1905.

The spelling of the last name keeps changing. I e-mailed Joseph's children and am trying to find out the town they lived in before they came to the US.

Rose lived in San Pier Niceto, which I found out is near Gualtieri Sicaminò.

An earlier post gave me an address to obtain Giovanni's birth record. How exactly do I get it? I am assuming there is a charge. Can I order it on-line?

Thanks again. You two are great.

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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby vj » 05 Apr 2010, 01:07

[quote="suanj]
you can request the birth act of Giovanni Rizzo writing

Ufficio di Stato Civile
Piazza Duomo
98040 Gualtieri Sicaminò (ME)
Italy


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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby suanj » 05 Apr 2010, 05:20

Hi, I found the Rosa D'Angelo arrival, joining at Giovanni RIZZO husband in Box 53 East Brady, PA; in travel with Francesco D'Angelo, brother of Rosa, age 17, same destination... but Rosa having no child at time, so Joseph son born abt 1902 in Italy remaining a mystery:


First Name: Rosa
Last Name: D'Angelo
Ethnicity: So. Italian, Latin
Last Place of Residence: S. Pier Niceto
Date of Arrival: Aug 04, 1904
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: F Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Konigin Luise
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0014

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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby vj » 05 Apr 2010, 13:38

Hello suanj :D !
Great find.
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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby RizRich » 05 Apr 2010, 21:07

Suanj:

The information above looks good, but where is the baby? It seems unlikely that he would have come with his father, but I guess it's possible. The age of Rose and the town are correct.

I don't know if Rose had a brother named Francesco but I think she had a brother named Guiseppe D'Angelo. The reason I know this is because I have a postcard dated Sept. 22, 1976. The postcard is addressed to my father and it says it is from his aunt and uncle "tuo zio e zia D'Angelo Guiseppe" Also, the postcard is from Taormina.

Thanks again for your help. I am going to keep digging.

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Re: Rizzo, D'Angelo, Venuto in Sicicy

Postby suanj » 06 Apr 2010, 04:48

Hi,
it is possible that the baby came after with some relative.....
maybe the 1910 census could be helpful.... abt the Rosa brothers, sure Francesco was a brother as a well Giuseppe...
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