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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby italianlaw » 09 Apr 2010, 06:24

From the abaondoned land records in Trapani, I have:

MILAZZO FRANCESCO (son of ??)
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU ANTONINO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU ANTONINO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU GIACOMO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO DI BARTOLOMEO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO PAOLO FU BENEDETTO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU SALVATORE
MILAZZO FRANCESCO DI PIETRO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU BENEDETTO
MILAZZO FRANCESCO FU SALVATOE

Who was Francesco's father?

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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby maestra36 » 09 Apr 2010, 10:36

On the Mormon pilot website-www.familysearchlabs.org (you need to register with a username and password)

There are records online from 6 parishes in Palermo Province. You might get lucky with one of these parishes. The records go from the 1530 to 1919. In my own database, I have an Angela Milazzo who married in Ventimiglia in Palermo Province a Michelangelo Barone. I have an Anna Milazzo, an Anna who married a Francesco Aldoino in Salaparuta in Trapani Province.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby pink67 » 09 Apr 2010, 10:52

Pink67 wrote:and for references:

from the site:
sites.google.com/site/...rmobirths/

Surname, Newborn, Father, Mother, Birth Day, District, Volume, Number.

Milazzo Carmela father: Lorenzo Mother: Sorrentino Giuseppa 7 08 1897 uf 363 2898
Milazzo M. Concetta father: Lorenzo Mother: Sorrentino Giuseppa 17 12 1899 uf 397 4552
Milazzo Gaspare Father: Lorenzo Mother: Sorrentino Giuseppa 31 08 1902 uf2 450 3243
Milazzo Gaspare Father: Lorenzo Mother:Sorrentino Giuseppa 18 03 1905 uf2 501 1273


These are births from Palermo city (thanks to Hugh Tornabene :D ) :

http://sites.google.com/site/palermobirths/

For marriages in Palermo City:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... index8.htm

I didn't found Lorenzo in this last database, so possibly they married in another town... considering his wife was born in trapani maybe they married in the Bride's town...

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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby bmilazzo » 09 Apr 2010, 12:25

If I can get the records for the four births recorded in Palermo they should have the father and mother's information. I've written to the appropriate authorities twice, no response.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby bmilazzo » 09 Apr 2010, 14:51

maestra36 wrote:On the Mormon pilot website-www.familysearchlabs.org (you need to register with a username and password)

There are records online from 6 parishes in Palermo Province. You might get lucky with one of these parishes. The records go from the 1530 to 1919. In my own database, I have an Angela Milazzo who married in Ventimiglia in Palermo Province a Michelangelo Barone. I have an Anna Milazzo, an Anna who married a Francesco Aldoino in Salaparuta in Trapani Province.


I went to the page you suggest. Nothing asked my username or password and I did not find any section for searching palermo districts. Do you have a direct link?

I think I found what you are taking about. If my local family search center doesn't have the film I have to buy it an hope it may have the info.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby HughTornabene » 09 Apr 2010, 16:12

Maybe you already found them for yourself, but I notice on my Births in the City of Palermo 1896 to 1905 data-base, there are named 4 children with parent names Lorenzo Milazzo and Giuseppa Sorrentino

Milazzo, Carmela, Lorenzo, Sorrentino Giuseppa, 7, 08, 1897, uf., 363, 2898
Milazzo, M. Concetta, Lorenzo, Sorrentino Giuseppa, 17, 12, 1899, uf., 397, 4552
Milazzo, Gaspare, Lorenzo, Sorrentino Giuseppa, 31, 08, 1902, uf2., 450, 3243
Milazzo, Gaspare, Lorenzo, Sorrentino Giuseppa, 18, 03, 1905, uf2., 501, 1273
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby bmilazzo » 09 Apr 2010, 20:43

Hugh
First, thank you so much for the effort you put into your web site. Yes, I had already found the four children there. I'm looking for Guiseppe who was born around 1890, a date your site doesn't cover. There is one older child Nunzio born in 1889.
I also used your site to see if my great grandparents were married around 1884 in Palermo but found nothing which leads me to believe they may have been married in Trapani or elsewhere.
Suggestions?
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby HughTornabene » 09 Apr 2010, 23:03

I would agree concerning the marriage. The Palermo City marriage Index for 1884 has to be pretty accurate.
For the other two births, and maybe more, there is the Births Index for 1886 to 1895.
It would be on one specific film of the Mormons. Costing you $5.50 to rent for a month. You could check for the births in half an hour easily.
Very clear film, typed entries, easy to read.
I might eventually transcribe it, but not soon, and it will take months.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby bmilazzo » 09 Apr 2010, 23:25

will the Birth Index from the Mormons have details on the parents or will it be the same format as the other four births? Is the information on the film more detailed than what I found at your site?
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Re: Barone Abandoned Land (Province of Palermo)

Postby italianlaw » 10 Apr 2010, 01:47

BARONE MICHELANGELO DI GIACOMO
BARONE MICHELANGELO FU VITO
BARONE MICHELANGELO FU GIACOMO

If you know the father of Michelel Barone (Giacomo or Vito) you would interested knowing where the land is. We have official maps. The discendents, wherever they are in the world, may able to take title .... if squatters have not already taken it.

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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby HughTornabene » 10 Apr 2010, 12:36

hello bmilazzo,
this is quite a busy message board I see, with multiple conversations.
I see now that master pink 67 (who is either playing baseball or using a jackhammer) had already listed those four children I told you about.
But to answer your question.
Short answer: The information will be exactly identical in form and quantity.
Long answer: part one, those strange looking things like
uf2, 450, 2343
are district, book, page references which the archives in Palermo can use to find the original documents. Unfortunately they are the least reliable parts of my somewhat roughcaste database, since there is no way to auto check them.
If it were me, and I wanted to take the "write to Palermo" route, I would rent the film again and get the exact district, book, page reference information (cost $5.50, time delay about a month) then write to Palermo SENDING SOME MONEY with my letter.
Long answer: part two, maybe you want to know the birth date of the parents. Well, make a broad guess, then rent the birth films that cover your guess period and take a look.
You are going to start renting all sorts of index films. When I was doing my own familly this way, i think i rented them all at one time or another, sometimes more than once.
i want to put all the films all on the web, like the ones i already did, but even with my technical trickery it takes a LOT of time.
To my delight, I now find that the Google search engine has picked up the entire internal content of my whole database. So if you do a Google search in any of the almost a million names in my data-base, google will land you right in the middle of one of my text files. woop di doo.
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I wonder if italianlaw newbie (with that odd looking nose) could arrange to land us as a squatter on one of his unclaimed pieces of land, using google somehow.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby HughTornabene » 10 Apr 2010, 13:12

Hey, wait a minute now Bmilazzo (what IS your name anyway), I think that Anthony Alioto is telling you that you might be a Sicilian Land Baron in Trapani. What fun, so there may be gold at the end of your genealogical rainbow.
I know that my own family owned the Tonnara in Avola a couple of centuries ago. I have a copy of the Tax Returns they made on it in about 1817 (known as Riveli). It is a building complex at the water's edge, these days a tourist attraction. I also know that my great grandfather was Baron of the Tonnara of Noto and Capo Passero.
So maybe (with a certain amount of risk) you could stay at my Tonnara and I can stay at your whatever. I wonder if your places still have roofs on them. I know that the Tonnaras don't.
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby italianlaw » 10 Apr 2010, 15:13

Folks
Do not send letters (old fashion). Send faxes and emails. Most Comune publish these on their web sites.

Do not send money (foreign currency) to Europeans. It is illegal for City Employees to take it. Most documents are public documents and are free. Some data, however, may be confidential

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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby PeterTimber » 10 Apr 2010, 15:52

Dear Mr Alioto thank you for the advice to forgoe letters for faxes and e-mails...It was bad enough when I had to give up my fountain pen for a ball point and from there to a sharp ball point and from a typewriter to a computer and from rich and flourishing language to abbreviations and caustic terse verbiage and now to increasingly less of everything.

This AM I read in the travel sectionof the NY Times that you now buy your way into eating dinner with an Italian family for $35.00!! The actuary tables reflecting my fast arriving demise does not look so uninviting anymore. =Peter=
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Re: Milazzo family in Palermo

Postby bmilazzo » 10 Apr 2010, 15:59

I love my fountain pens and still use them. But I love the decent and proper use of computers (despite the fact that more than 50% of internet garbage is pornography).
Email makes short time of so much effort. It can be impersonal if one lets it.

Please don't lose me here and hopefully we can stay on point. I am a novice at this and appreciate whatever useful information is contributed.
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