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Finding my husbands Great Grandfahters amily

Postby bougie1107 » 20 Apr 2010, 02:16

I am starting to research my husbands family, I am hitting a dead end on Charles Sutera I believe he may have been from Scicca, Sicily born around 1865 coming to America in 1884 according to the 1910 US Census. He lived in Broklyn and the family then ended up in Hoboken, however I only find him on the 1910 Census and can locate no passenger records anyone have any suggestions. His wife appeared to be named Vincenza 6 chidren my husbands Grandfather being James. Thanks

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Postby Tessa78 » 20 Apr 2010, 02:46

Welcome to the forum! :-)

Sadly, early ship manifests hold very little information :-(

Found 1920 Census for family in Brooklyn. Spelling of name is poor for parents (Accuso and Vinicezo Sutora)
Accuso (Charles?) 52
Vinicezo (Vincenza) 50
Lilly 19
James 17
Filomena 16
Charles 12
Steven 9
James Trilo - 30 - son-in-law
Vincenza 27
Joseph (grandson) 7
Peter (grandson) 3

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9821/s ... census.jpg

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Postby vj » 20 Apr 2010, 13:38

Great find T :D !
Another possibility for Charles' name - Accursio/Accurzio??

Possible 1895 manifest?
Same immig date as 1920 census that T :D found,
and after date of daughter Vincenza's birth (on 1910 census)
Valarie

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8403/1895b.jpg

Name: Accursio Lutera
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1895
Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Age: 28
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Queenstown, Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Aurania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_649
Page Number: 15
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Is this the correct family in 1930?

possible 1930 census
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9582/1930e.jpg

Home in 1930:
92 Clinton Street, rents $25
Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey

head Luna (Lena) Sutera 60, abt 1870 IT
- married age 29
- immig 1898 Na (naturalized citizen)
son Charles Sutera 22, abt 1908 NY
son Stephen Sutera 19, abt 1911 NY

son James Sutera 27, abt 1903 NY
- married age 21
wife (daughter-in-law) Marie Sutera 27 NY
son (grandson) August Sutera 5 NJ
son (grandson) Gabriel Sutera 3 NJ
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for reference, your 1910 census
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1638/1910ev.jpg

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Postby bougie1107 » 20 Apr 2010, 14:10

[quote="Tessa78"]Welcome to the forum! :-)

Sadly, early ship manifests hold very little information :-(

Found 1920 Census for family in Brooklyn. Spelling of name is poor for parents (Accuso and Vinicezo Sutora)
Accuso (Charles?) 52
Vinicezo (Vincenza) 50
Lilly 19
James 17
Filomena 16
Charles 12
Steven 9
James Trilo - 30 - son-in-law
Vincenza 27
Joseph (grandson) 7
Peter (grandson) 3

http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/9821/s ... census.jpg
:roll:
Thanks I missed this one!

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Postby bougie1107 » 20 Apr 2010, 14:12

[quote="vj"]Great find T :D !
Another possibility for Charles' name - Accursio/Accurzio??

Possible 1895 manifest?
Same immig date as 1920 census that T :D found,
and after date of daughter Vincenza's birth (on 1910 census)
Valarie

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8403/1895b.jpg

Name: Accursio Lutera
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1895
Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Age: 28
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Queenstown, Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Aurania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_649
Page Number: 15
---

Is this the correct family in 1930?

possible 1930 census
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9582/1930e.jpg

Home in 1930:
92 Clinton Street, rents $25
Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey

head Luna (Lena) Sutera 60, abt 1870 IT
- married age 29
- immig 1898 Na (naturalized citizen)
son Charles Sutera 22, abt 1908 NY
son Stephen Sutera 19, abt 1911 NY

son James Sutera 27, abt 1903 NY
- married age 21
wife (daughter-in-law) Marie Sutera 27 NY
son (grandson) August Sutera 5 NJ
son (grandson) Gabriel Sutera 3 NJ
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for reference, your 1910 census
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1638/1910ev.jpg
Yes this is the family I had this one August was my father in law,. :)

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Postby bougie1107 » 20 Apr 2010, 14:16

My sister in law said she thinks Charles may have been married three times, I guess each wife died, which would explain the Luna in the 1930 census, however if you look at the census it said Luna is a M unless it is an error in the census which we know happens. I would love to find Birth records or Christening are those hard to come by?

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Postby vj » 20 Apr 2010, 14:23

Ordering records from the NY City Archives is very easy.
You're right if you could find a birth record, or daughter Vincenza's or son James' (Vincenzo?) marriage record they should have their mother's maiden name.

If you haven’t used these, they may help you locate New York City records (there may be transcription errors in names):

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records 1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

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Postby bougie1107 » 20 Apr 2010, 14:24

[quote="vj"]Great find T :D !
Another possibility for Charles' name - Accursio/Accurzio??

Possible 1895 manifest?
Same immig date as 1920 census that T :D found,
and after date of daughter Vincenza's birth (on 1910 census)
Valarie

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/8403/1895b.jpg

Name: Accursio Lutera
Arrival Date: 3 Oct 1895
Estimated birth year: abt 1867 Age: 28
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Queenstown, Ireland
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Ship Name: Aurania
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Line: 5
Microfilm Serial: M237 Microfilm Roll: M237_649
Page Number: 15
---

Is this the correct family in 1930?

possible 1930 census
http://img691.imageshack.us/img691/9582/1930e.jpg

Home in 1930:
92 Clinton Street, rents $25
Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey

head Luna (Lena) Sutera 60, abt 1870 IT
- married age 29
- immig 1898 Na (naturalized citizen)
son Charles Sutera 22, abt 1908 NY
son Stephen Sutera 19, abt 1911 NY

son James Sutera 27, abt 1903 NY
- married age 21
wife (daughter-in-law) Marie Sutera 27 NY
son (grandson) August Sutera 5 NJ
son (grandson) Gabriel Sutera 3 NJ
---

for reference, your 1910 census
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/1638/1910ev.jpgThe Manifest is a great find THANKS so much guys you really know how to search this stuff...I am trying to become more knowledgeable. Karen

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Postby Tessa78 » 20 Apr 2010, 20:06

Hi Valarie :-D
What great finds! Charles' first name was tricky.

Going with your suggestion to try an find Vincenza (daughter) marriage record...
Following marriage was recorded in Brooklyn

Triola Vincenzo Apr 21 1912 Kings 3679 (James Trilo?)
Satera Vincenza Apr 21 1912 3679 Kings

Karen,
You can send away for this marriage record for a small fee from NYC Vital records. You can do this online...

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vi ... home.shtml

T.

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Postby vj » 20 Apr 2010, 21:11

Great job T :D !
My goodness, both names were mangled.
Valarie

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Postby bougie1107 » 21 Apr 2010, 01:32

[quote="Tessa78"]Hi Valarie :-D
What great finds! Charles' first name was tricky.

Going with your suggestion to try an find Vincenza (daughter) marriage record...
Following marriage was recorded in Brooklyn

Triola Vincenzo Apr 21 1912 Kings 3679 (James Trilo?)
Satera Vincenza Apr 21 1912 3679 Kings

Karen,
You can send away for this marriage record for a small fee from NYC Vital records. You can do this online...

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vi ... home.shtml

Thanks you are good at this I have been searching and nothing comes up like this on Ancestry.com..Once I get some of this caught up I need to switch to German I have been having a years worth of road blocks finding my Great, Great Grandfathers birth town and records! But I love doing this. Thanks again Karen

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Postby Tessa78 » 21 Apr 2010, 02:05

We're glad to be of help :-D

Good luck in your search...

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Postby bougie1107 » 21 Apr 2010, 03:47

Ok you have all been a great help, however I would really like to try and find tha location of Charle ( Accuso's) birth and his parents name. I am also coming up with no death records for him. My father in law always said taht his family came from Sciacca Sicily.

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Postby vj » 21 Apr 2010, 13:51

Hi Karen,
You may want to go ahead and order the marriage record for daughter Vincenza
She and her mother may have travelled to the US under her mother's maiden name (this was usual if not travelling with her husband)
Since their manifest is later (abt 1898) it may give their last location in Italy
Valarie

Here's an example:

15 Dec 1897 SS Trojan Prince
http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/7209/1897w.jpg
lines 23-24

Vincenza Magro 28, abt 1869
- last residence Sciacca
- destination Brooklyn NY
- joining husband Accursio at Nass (Nassau?) Av
(Note: this is unusual for the husband's last name not to be listed, but many of them are missing on this manifest)
daughter Vincenza 3, abt 1894

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Postby bougie1107 » 21 Apr 2010, 19:33

WOW you are good how and where do ou find this stuff???


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