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Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 18:39

Hello,
I am new to the seach for my Italian family.
My grandmother's name is Concetta Carcione and I know that she came to the US from Sicily area. There is a CC on the Ellis Island NY Passenger List, aboard ship Neckar from Tortorici and that may be her.
My grandfather's name is Savatore Metastasio and he was from Naples area. When he arrived he began a restaurant in Jamestown called Diamond Grill. I do not have him yet on a passenger list.
I believe they did not travel together.
My father Pietro Metastasio is deceased. His brother Arthur is also deceased. My aunts are not communicative as one is in a nursing facility and the other one is very reclusive. (Vera and Mary)
Is there info on them available as to their lives in Italy or ancestry of relatives? I do not have birth and death dates.
Thank you for any help... Vera Lisa Metastasio-Smetzer

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 18:49

Hello Vera
Welcome to the forum :D .
Records for your family in Italy are kept at the comune (town).
Finding US records with that information would be a 1st step - ship manifests, naturalization paperwork, sometimes military registration cards for WWI or WWII.
Do you have any of your US records?
It's generally recommended to collect all of your US records first so you're sure you're researching the correct family in Italy.
Thank you, Valarie

here's a possible 1911 ship manifest for Salvatore and wife Concetta
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8695/1911g.jpg
page 2
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1251/191101.jpg


3 Oct 1911, SS Taormina, Naples to NY
lines 29-30
Salvatore Metastasio 26, abt 1885
- butcher
- last residence Elena(?)
- leaving brother Giuseppe in Italy
- destination NY Jamestown
- (Salvatore only) in US before 1906-1910 in Somerville, MA
- born in (?)
wife Concetta Carcione 26, abt 1885
edit: corrected Concetta's surname

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 19:22

I don't have any papers..
Oh my goodness, that looks like my grandfather. Now I wonder about the spelling of my grandmother's name - Carcione or Cardone!

Thank you for your help, Valarie!!!!

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 19:46

Vera,
I'm glad you caught that - it was a transcription error on ancestry. com.
Was Salvatore and Concetta in MA abt 1942?
There's a WWII Draft Registration Card for a Salvatore born 18 Feb 1884 with a wife Carrie.
The reason I ask, there are quite a few comunes with Sant'Elena in the name, this WWII Card states Salvatore was born 'near Rome'.

Here's a possible 1906 manifest
from ancestry. com

http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/293/1906.jpg

October 1906, SS Romanic, Naples to Boston
line 18

Salvatore Metastasio 22, abt 1884
- single
- laborer
- last residence Elena (probably Sant'Elena)
- destination Somerville, MA
- may have been in Somerville 1901-1904, hard to tell which line the notation is for
- joining brother-in-law Eugenio Lusarelli(?)

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 20:40

Valarie,

You've got him... my grandfather's relative's name is Lucarelli - my dad's cousin had that name. I remember him talking about him.

And yes, grandparents Salvatore and my grandmother Concetta were in US in 1942. My father was born in 1910 in Jamestown, NY. They went from Jamestown, NY to Somerville. MA and were there for years.

Hm... Carrie? Another possible error?

I know the family talk was my grandfather was born in the north and my grandmother in the south.

This gives me goosebumps! Good ones!
Blessings,
Vera

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 21:25

Vera :D ,
Great! Now we have Salvatore's birth date.
Could 'Carrie' be Concetta's nickname?
Interesting that Salvatore signed his name with a 'z'
Valarie

1942 WWII Draft Registration Card
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/3286/1942.jpg
page 2
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/7797/194201.jpg

Salvatore Metastazio
200 Elm Street
Cambridge, Middlesex, MA
born 18 Feb 1884
near Rome
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1937 MA Naturalization Index Card
(indicates where naturalization documents can be found)
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1729/1937sc.jpg
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'Sam & Carrie' & children
1930 census in Jamestown
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/6076/1930d.jpg

Home in 1930:
522 Cresent Street, rents $28
Jamestown, Chautauqua, New York

head Sam Metastazio 43, abt 1887 IT
- married age 24, abt 1910
-immig 1907, Al (alien)
- proprietor, grocery store
wife Carrie Metastazio 41, abt 1889 IT
- immig 1907
daughter Elvera Metastazio 17, abt 1913 NY
- operator, beauty salon
son Arthur Metastazio 16, abt 1914 NY
son Peter Metastazio 13, abt 1917 NY
daughter Mary Metastazio 6, abt 1924 NY

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 21:57

That's my grandfather - so good to have his birthdate! Yes, interesting that he signed his name with a z = boy, that would have made life a bit easier when I was growing up if the family had kept the spelling that way. LOL!

My grandmother must have had that for a nickname, I wish it seemed familiar. Her birthdate was about 1889. I am wondering if she is the woman from Tortorici, Italy on the Neckar ship that arrived 1907. Or the woman that left Palermo and arrived 1902 aboard Spartan Prince - a bit closer in age.

I just keep going back to those documents - they they are. This is the most info I am have ever had! Thank you...

((((Valarie))))

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Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 21:57

1920 census
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4176/1920b.jpg

Home in 1920:
Victoria Avenue, rents
Jamestown Ward 3, Chautauqua, New York

head Sam Metastadz (Metastasio) 34, abt 1886 France-Italian
- immig 1911, Al
- labor, brass foundry
wife Carrie 30, abt 1890 IT
- immig 1911
daughter Vera 7, abt 1913 NY
son Arther 6, abt 1914 NY
son Peter 3, abt 1917 NY

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 22:05

Actually, it appears that Salvator wasn't sure of his birthdate
In 1942 it was 18 Feb 1884
When he filled out his SS Application it was 21 Sep 1884
This really wasn't that unusual :D .

Social Security Death Index
Name: Salvatore Metastazio
SSN: 011-12-xxxx
Last Residence: 02143 Somerville, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Born: 21 Sep 1884 Died: 31 Jul 1970
State (Year) SSN issued: Massachusetts (Before 1951)

You may want to order his SS Application ($19).
It will have his parents names and his place of birth
Valarie
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Social Security Application SS-5

His SS# is available here if you don’t already have it:
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ ... _form=true

About the SS Application:
http://genealogy.about.com/od/online_re ... equest.htm
The SS-5, or Application for Social Security Number is a great resource for learning more about individuals who died after about 1960, and generally includes the following:
- Full name
- Full name at birth, including maiden name
- Present mailing address
- Age at last birthday
- Date of birth
- Place of birth
- Father's full name
- Mother's full name, including maiden name
- Sex
- Race as indicated by the applicant
- Whether the applicant ever applied for Social Security or Railroad Retirement before
- Current employer's name and address
- Date signed
- Applicant's signature


Order form SSA-711 (can be done online):
http://www.ssa.gov/foia/html/foia_guide.htm

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 22:08

veralisa wrote:My grandmother must have had that for a nickname, I wish it seemed familiar. Her birthdate was about 1889. I am wondering if she is the woman from Tortorici, Italy on the Neckar ship that arrived 1907. Or the woman that left Palermo and arrived 1902 aboard Spartan Prince - a bit closer in age.


I'm guessing that her first (and probably her only) trip was in 1911.
Perhaps Salvatore's reason for returning in 1910 was to get married?
Valarie

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Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 22:18

Here's his 1918 WWI Draft Registration Card at 68 Victoria Avenue
Born 25 Feb 1884
Looks like he signed his surname with an 's'
Valarie

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/5575/1918.jpg

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 22:19

Ah, yes, 1911 - neither maybe correct - one is 1907 and one is 1902 - I will check ship records again ti see if there is a 1911.

Yes, it probably wasn't that unusual about the date entries... many reasons I suppose possibly for that. When I was little, I remember some jokes about this...

Did you catch the France- Italian? Hm - :-)

Very good idea on SS purchase! Thank you.

Feels amazing to get this far. Wow!

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 22:26

vj wrote:
here's a possible 1911 ship manifest for Salvatore and wife Concetta
http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8695/1911g.jpg
page 2
http://img687.imageshack.us/img687/1251/191101.jpg


3 Oct 1911, SS Taormina, Naples to NY
lines 29-30
Salvatore Metastasio 26, abt 1885
- butcher
- last residence Elena(?)
- leaving brother Giuseppe in Italy
- destination NY Jamestown
- (Salvatore only) in US before 1906-1910 in Somerville, MA
- born in (?)
wife Concetta Carcione 26, abt 1885
edit: corrected Concetta's surname


I'm sorry Vera, I meant this 1911 manifest
It's easy to get turned around with so many records posted in only a few hours.
My apologies

Yes, I guess the 'France' meant he was born close to the border?

Valarie

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby veralisa » 01 May 2010, 22:40

Oh my, yes, you already have it... I need to copy all of our posts!!! :D

This one means the world to me... for some reason, I always really wanted so to believe that she did not make that trip across the water alone. And look, Sept. 18 til Oct. 3 to make it to NY. And they were together and married...

Really chokes me up here... I feel close to them today. And I thank you so much for all your looking. I think I would still be doing a lot of guessing!
? Huge hugs... ?

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Re: Searching for Carcione and Metastasio

Postby vj » 01 May 2010, 22:55

Here's the 1901 manifest noted on Salvatore's 1906 manifest
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0019

4 May 1901, SS Belgravia, Naples to NY

Salvatore Mastastario (Metastasio)16
- single
- peasant
- last residence Elena
- destination (Sommerville?) Mass
- joining brother Giuseppe
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Vera,
I think you're right, the picture of Salvatore and Concetta is becoming clearer with each record :D .
He was quite enterprising to head out on his own at age 16 to join his brother in MA!
When you discover which Sant'Elena he is from you'll be able to find his family in Italy.
Italian records are wonderfully complete and informative!
Here's a big hug back :D
Valarie


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