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Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 10 May 2010, 19:10

Hello,

I am trying to research my family name. Today it is Severse but I discovered it was also Saverse and Severe. I acquired naturalization records for my Great 3 Grandfather. It said he was born in Saony, Italy in 1854. Nothing comes up for Saony. I think it probably would be Saone. Is this a reasonable guess? Also his name was Antonio Saverse and also listed as Antony and Anthony. Thank you for your time.

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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby johnnyonthespot » 10 May 2010, 20:11

There is a frazione (a neighborhood, small township) named Saone which is a part of Comune di Tione di Trento in the province of Trento, Northeastern Italy.

Seems like a good possibility...

Website: http://www.comunetioneditrento.it/tione ... 520041DAFE
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 10 May 2010, 20:22

This record could be abt your ancestor???

1900 United States Federal Census
about Antonio Sar*Sse
Name: Antonio Sar*Sse
[Antonio Saversse]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 43
Birth Date: Sep 1856
Birthplace: Italy

Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1864
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Mary
Marriage Year: 1880
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Antonio Sar*Sse 43 imm. 1864 Naturalized
Mary Sar*Sse 39 (b.Jun 1860 IT) imm. 1867
John Sar*Sse 19 ( b. May 1881 NY)
Marie Sar*Sse 14 ( b. Aug 1885 NY)

Peter Romani 36
John Carddetti 29
Josie Carddetti 31
Peter Carddetti 27
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8524/1900saverse.jpg

I know that he died in 1908 in Pepperell, Mass
but this is the only probable census...

let me know if the census is correct... the surname could be: Savarese;


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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 10 May 2010, 20:31

for to find the right italian nametown of birth, need of to know the exact right spelling of surname... my idea is that Saverse is really Savarese and in this case Anthony coming from south Italy... for that it is necessary to have more infos, and to find all US data before of all...
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 10 May 2010, 20:49

suanj wrote:This record could be abt your ancestor???

1900 United States Federal Census
about Antonio Sar*Sse
Name: Antonio Sar*Sse
[Antonio Saversse]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 43
Birth Date: Sep 1856
Birthplace: Italy

Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1864
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Mary
Marriage Year: 1880
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Antonio Sar*Sse 43 imm. 1864 Naturalized
Mary Sar*Sse 39 (b.Jun 1860 IT) imm. 1867
John Sar*Sse 19 ( b. May 1881 NY)
Marie Sar*Sse 14 ( b. Aug 1885 NY)

Peter Romani 36
John Carddetti 29
Josie Carddetti 31
Peter Carddetti 27
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8524/1900saverse.jpg

I know that he died in 1908 in Pepperell, Mass
but this is the only probable census...

let me know if the census is correct... the surname could be: Savarese;


your suggestions?
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Hello Suanj,
I have seen tha 1900 Census and I don't believe it is him for a couple of reasons. His wife Mary (Marie) was born in Keesville, NY and that would make her a citizen. Also, the children don't match.

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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby johnnyonthespot » 10 May 2010, 21:04

How is the name spelled on your great-great-great-grandfather's naturalization documents?

Also, these documents in later years included information on how the applicant arrived in the US (date, name of ship or train, etc). Do you have that info?
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 11 May 2010, 01:52

I'm not completely sure that the record is his but I would bet it is. Here is what it says and I got it from the National Archives in Wash D.C.:

from 27 th day of October, 1884

respectfully represents Anthony Severe now a resident in Laconia, NH a free white person, an alien and subject of Napoleon King of Italy that he was obrn at Saony in Italy in the year of 1854 and is now thirty years of age. That he arrived at Brooklin (Not spelled Brooklyn, maybe Brooklin ME) in the U.S.A. in 1868 being then a minor under the age of 18 years, to wit between 17 & 18 years. That he arrived at the age of 21 years on the (Blank, nothing written) in 1875. That he resided in the US 3 years next preceding his arriving at the age of 21 years and has continued to reside herein to the present time, to wit in New York andin Laconia NH for the last 4 years.


There's more but that is the most important part. I think it is him because I have seen evidence of him marrying in Keeseville NY and then moving to Laconia NH. He also could have come to the west through Canada also. His death certificate has him as a Saverse but he hasd children named Severse and Severe.

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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 08:56

joshseverse wrote:
suanj wrote:This record could be abt your ancestor???

1900 United States Federal Census
about Antonio Sar*Sse
Name: Antonio Sar*Sse
[Antonio Saversse]
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 43
Birth Date: Sep 1856
Birthplace: Italy

Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1864
Relationship to Head of House: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Mary
Marriage Year: 1880
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Residence : New York City, New York, New York
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Antonio Sar*Sse 43 imm. 1864 Naturalized
Mary Sar*Sse 39 (b.Jun 1860 IT) imm. 1867
John Sar*Sse 19 ( b. May 1881 NY)
Marie Sar*Sse 14 ( b. Aug 1885 NY)

Peter Romani 36
John Carddetti 29
Josie Carddetti 31
Peter Carddetti 27
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/8524/1900saverse.jpg

I know that he died in 1908 in Pepperell, Mass
but this is the only probable census...

let me know if the census is correct... the surname could be: Savarese;


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Hello Suanj,
I have seen tha 1900 Census and I don't believe it is him for a couple of reasons. His wife Mary (Marie) was born in Keesville, NY and that would make her a citizen. Also, the children don't match.

thanks for clarification
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Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 09:51

I cannot find the censuses; I found only some child's births:
Name: Severe
Date of Birth: 21 Dec 1885
Place of Birth: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United States
Father's Name: Anthony Severe
Mother's Name: Mary Laramy
Place Recorded: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United States
GS Film Number: 1001045
Digital GS Number: 4244313
Image Number: 03547
Collection: New Hampshire Birth Records, Early to 1900

Name: Joseph
Date of Birth: 15 Sep 1896
Place of Birth: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United StatesFather's Name: Antonio Severe
Mother's Name: Marie Laramée
Place Recorded: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United States
GS Film Number: 1001045
Digital GS Number: 4244313
Image Number: 03549
Collection: New Hampshire Birth Records, Early to 1900

Name: Vincent
Date of Birth: 10 May 1894
Place of Birth: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United States
Father's Name: Antoine Sevére
Mother's Name: Marie Laramée
Place Recorded: Laconia, Belknap, New Hampshire, United States
GS Film Number: 1001045
Digital GS Number: 4244313
Image Number: 03544
Collection: New Hampshire Birth Records, Early to 1900

and by WWI draft registration card:
NAME: Anthony Arthur Severse
BIRTH: 2 Feb 1892
BIRTH: New Hampshire;United States of America
RESIDENCE: Jefferson, New York
OTHER: Jefferson County
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 11 May 2010, 16:43

That is great information!! Those birth records are definitely his children.

The 1st and 3rd I did not have. From the 1910 Census, it said that his wife Mary (Marie) had 11 children but only 6 were living.

If I give you info on some of the other children, do you think you could check the birth records from Laconia, NH? When I contacted NH state in Concord, they weren't much help.

If you are a member of ancestry.com, I can give you the link to my tree.
http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/16430371 ... 963808?pg=


The WWII Reg card from Arthur Anthony is his son.

Thank you for everything. This has been great!!!

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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 19:30

the link of genealogic tree no work... give me the genealogic tree name
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 11 May 2010, 19:43

It is called

Severse Family Tree

on ancestry.com

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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 20:01

ok...
I believe he was no of Saone... I searched in Tione( Saone is a hamleth of Tione) and no surnames starting with Save.. or Seve...
maybe the town could be Siano....
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby suanj » 11 May 2010, 20:47

In 1910 census:

1910 United States Federal Census
about Mary Cerverse
Name: Mary Cerverse
Age in 1910: 45
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: New York
Mother's Birth Place: Canada French
Home in 1910: Pepperell, Middlesex, Massachusetts
Marital Status: Widowed
Race: White
Gender: Female
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Household Members: Name Age
Mary Cerverse 45
Rose Cerverse 20
Romeo Cerverse 4
Ralph Scipione 36
Angelo Mutel 21
Ralph Calvalo 28
Annie Roucher 21
Charles Roucher 0


well, Ralph Scipione is listed as [b]cousin[/b]... because he is italian I believe that he was cousin of Anthony Severe/Severse....
Ralph(Raffaele) Scipione was born in Formia town; he came in 1894 and resided in Laconia NH before, as the passport..

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Raffaelo Scipione
Name: Raffaelo Scipione
Birth Date: 26 Jan 1873
Birth Place: Formia, Italy
Residence: East Pepperell, Massachusetts
Passport Issue Date: 30 Aug 1900

Passport Includes a Photo: N
Source: Passport Applications, 1795-1905 (M1372)

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/5326 ... ssport.jpg
after moved in Pepperell MA

here the second travel:
Boston Passenger Lists, 1820-1943 about Raffaele Seipione
Name: Raffaele Seipione
Arrival Date: 9 Mar 1908
Age: 35 Years
Estimated birth year: abt 1873

Gender: Male
Ethnic Background: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Ship Name: Romanic
Port of Arrival: Boston, Massachusetts
Last Residence: Caserta
Birthplace: Formia, Caserto
Microfilm Roll Number: 120

final destination Pepperell MA
so I believe that also your ancestor was born in same area..

near Formia it is Ausonia town...
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Re: Saone, Italy

Postby joshseverse » 11 May 2010, 21:21

That is wild. On my drive home I was going to ask you to look into Raffaelo Scipione. It's like you read my mind.

Is there a record of Ralph's birth in Formia? Maybe his mother's maiden name is my correct surname!!


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