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Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby uzzk23a » 28 May 2010, 06:09

I'm stuck tracing my Italian grandfather's ancestry and would appreciate any ideas on what to do next.

He was born May 15, 1885, in Italy (source: WW-I Draft Registration; birth city not known)
He immigrated to the US in 1893 or 1895, as a boy, without his parents - not sure why.
(source: 1910 & 1930 Census, family stories of a "sponsor")
He couldn't speak English initially, so his real surname got seriously messed up.
His marriage record lists his parents as "Antonio and Lucati Josappi"
Since my grandfather named their first son "Anthony" and their first daughter "Josephine",
I am assuming his Father = "Antonio Lucati" and Mother = "Josappi Lucati"
These are the spellings as recorded in the Church records, but may have just been phonetic approximations.
Obituary searches have come up empty.

With this information, I have been unable to find his ship/immigration record, let alone any information back in Italy.

Any suggestions would be appreciated !

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby jamiecapaldi » 28 May 2010, 08:44

Hello, what was your Grandfathers full name?
Do you think his mothers christian name would have been Giuseppa?

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby suanj » 28 May 2010, 13:30

Hi, you can say us the name of your grandfather and where he lived in USA?
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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby Michael31 » 28 May 2010, 13:53

http://www.paginebianche.it/index_en.html
Lucati 28 in Italy

Lucati Antonio
72021 Francavilla Fontana (BR)
Via Giolitti, 8
tel: 0831 854249


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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby uzzk23a » 28 May 2010, 15:46

jamiecapaldi wrote:Hello, what was your Grandfathers full name?
Do you think his mothers christian name would have been Giuseppa?

Jamie


We always knew him as Thomas Cular. The family story was that when he came to the US as a boy, someone asked him his name. He thought they were asking for his *sponsor's* name, so he answered with something that sounded like "Q LEE OH". That got written as Cular and it stuck for the rest of his life. Once he had kids, there was even a family meeting about going back to the original Italian name - but he was adamant - "no, we're in America now, we're not going back to the old family name."

Remembrance of the real Italian surname varied among family members ... "had lots of syllables" ... sounded like "LA KEE TA". The Catholic Church marriage record in Passaic, New Jersey listed it as "Lucati", but I doubt that Thomas would have told them that spelling - they probably tried to write it down from how he said it.

So, his full name would have been Thomas/Tommasso Lucati/Luchetti ??

re: his mother's christian name - yes, given that they named their first born daughter Josephine, I'm guessing his mother's name was Giuseppina or shorter like the Giuseppa you mentioned.

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby uzzk23a » 28 May 2010, 15:52

suanj wrote:Hi, you can say us the name of your grandfather and where he lived in USA?
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He lived his whole life (while in the USA) in Passaic, New Jersey.

He was known as Thomas Cular, but his parents' Italian surname sounded like "Lucati" according to the Catholic Church marriage record. This was how the Church secretary wrote it down - probably from hearing Thomas pronounce it, not from Thomas actually spelling it that way.

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby vj » 28 May 2010, 16:25

uzzk23a wrote:So, his full name would have been Thomas/Tommasso ?? ...


Hi!
Yes, you're correct
A few possibilities would be
Tommaso, Tommasino, Gaetano
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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby uzzk23a » 28 May 2010, 16:26

Michael31 wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francavilla_Fontana
http://www.comune.francavillafontana.br.it/
google translate
Lucati / Locati
www.ellisislandrecords.org
www.castlegarden.org
www.pilot.familysearch.org
www.familysearch.org


Thanks ... I think I follow your logic & process ...
I had already searched those US-based web sites and extracted all the information I could.

re: the Francavilla-Fontana web site ... I used Google translate to view the various pages. Is there a way via that site to find vital records (I couldn't see a way, translating one page at a time ...) ?

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby suanj » 28 May 2010, 19:39

Hi
by Cristina petition of naturalization:
Record Details
Section Name PETITIONS
Document PETITIONS VOL 66 17301 - 17700
Number of Pages 5
Document Title CHRISTINA CULAR
Person Name CHRISTINA CULAR
Year 1928
Country IRELAND

http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7258/chistinacular.jpg
the husband birthplace is wrote: Shark, Italy; obviously Shark not exist in Italy... it could be Sciacca? I believe that LUCATI was the mother maiden name... If Sciacca was the birthplace, it exist Licata surname... maybe the Thomas and Antonio ( the father) surname was Collura...


but it is only a suggestion...
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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby uzzk23a » 28 May 2010, 20:40

suanj wrote:
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/7258/chistinacular.jpg
the husband birthplace is wrote: Shark, Italy; obviously Shark not exist in Italy... it could be Sciacca? In Sciacca exist Licata surname... but it is only a suggestion...
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Oh my goodness - YES - that is Thomas' wife !!
How did you find that record ? Thank you !!!

One family member thought he was from Sicily, but there was never hard evidence.

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby thomcu » 23 Jun 2010, 17:40

My paternal grandfather originated in Sicily, my grandmother in Belfast, she was here for a few years, then returned to Ireland then returned and they settled in Passaic. My dad was the youngest of 9 children. I never met my grandfather Cular, he passed away when my dad was 11 yrs. old

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Re: Stuck Tracing My Grandfather

Postby thomcu » 24 Jun 2010, 09:14

Try this link for more Cular family history and photos, Craig Robinson has spent aome time and effort putting the site together

http://wildwood-ranch.us/geneal/people/cular/index.htm

Tom Cular


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