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Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby anne70115 » 28 Jul 2010, 19:19

Am seeking information of the Mansoni Family of Livorno. Brothers Giovanni and Carlo left Livorno for the United States between 1803 and 1815. Giovanni became Consul to Tuscany for the mid Atlantic States and Carlo settled in New Orleans where he became Consul for Tuscany.

Their parents were Rocco Mansoni and Marie Cocchi of Livorno. Any information on how to find this family in Livorno would be most helpful.

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 07:59

Considering that the last name Mansoni today doesn't exist in Italy, I believe the correct spell was Mansani....

Laura

for references:

1860 United States Federal Census
about C Mansoni
Name: C Mansoni
Age in 1860: 60
Birth Year: abt 1800
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1860: New Orleans Ward 4, Orleans, Louisiana
Gender: Male
Post Office: New Orleans
Value of real estate: View image
Household Members: Name Age
C Mansoni 60 head, born in IT
Charles Mansoni 34, born in Mobile (AL?)
Odille Mansoni 20 , born in Mobile
Michel Mansoni 17 , born in Mobile
Pamila Robertson 7 born in New Orleans
Catharine 21 servant, born in Ireland

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:02

Anne,

this is a litte reference:

http://books.google.com/books?id=SAKWXf ... ns&f=false


Nel 1815 il Granduca [di Toscana] nominava Giovanni Mansoni (John F Mansony) suo primo rappresentante negli Stati Uniti, che fu riconosciuto come Console per il New Hampshire, il Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Vermont e Connecticut, con residenza a Boston, il 6 novembre 1817 con apposito decreto del presidente Monroe...

looks like this book has the complete history of Giovanni Francesco Mansoni:

http://books.google.com/books?id=potoAA ... CCwQ6AEwAA

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:18

Possible marriage dates for Carlo?

Alabama Marriages, 1816-1956

Groom's name: Charles G. Mansony
Bride's name: Merced or Merceda Soto
Marriage Date: 22 May 1824
Marriage Place: Mobile, Alabama

from Ancestry.com:

Selected U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1966 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about John F Mansony
Name: John F Mansony
Birth Date: 3 Mar 1789
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 28
Place of Residence: Maine, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, and Vermont
Date of Action: 10 Sep 1817
Collection Title: Index to New England Naturalization Petitions, 1791-1906 (M1299)
NARA Series #: M1299
Roll #: 93
Roll Description: M453 (Abram) - M550 (William J.)

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:28

This is another helpful site for your research:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/

search with Mansony key...

look this article:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspaper% ... ehtml&.pdf

it seems that Mr. John Mansony died on a ship?

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 09:32

From the site I pointed you before:

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Newspapers ... ehtml&.pdf

FOREIGN C O N S U L S — T h e President has recognized
CHARLES J. MANSONY as vice consul of the
Oriental republic of Uruguay, for the port of Mobile
; JOSEPH CABOT, for Philadelphia; and W M .
DTNOWALL FOROYCE, for Charleston.


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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 29 Jul 2010, 10:41

Anne,

this is the web page of the italian professor who wrote a book on Giovanni Mansoni:

http://www.sp.unipi.it/index.php?page=/hp/vernassa

the book:

Il primo console toscano negli Stati Uniti: il livornese Giovanni Francesco Mansoni a Boston (1817-1821) (2002)

Laura

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link to the page with the contacts for the Professor Maurizio Vernassa:
http://unimap.unipi.it/cercapersone/det ... hp?ri=5834

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby anne70115 » 02 Sep 2010, 22:44

Thank you Laura for all the helpful information.

You are correct about Carlo Mansoni's brother dying at sea. I read the account in an historical newspaper.

I have sent for the Mobile, Alabama marriage license. Carlo was appointed consul to Tuscany for the Port of Mobile.

Carlo died in New Orleans in 1860 at the age of 60. His two sons fought in the Civil War and settled in Virginia. I don't know what happened to his daughter Odielle but his grand daughter Palmyre Robinson grew up in an orphanage. I suppose after Carlo died and her uncles went off to war, there was no place for Palmyre to go.

I have just found new information that Mansoni was responsible for bringing a very valuable collection of art to New Orleans in 1847 for the Grand Duke of Tuscany.

Can you tell me why you say the surname of Mansoni doesn't exist in Italy anymore? I've seen the name spelled several ways including Mansony.

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2010, 12:53

the marriage record of Carlo:

Alabama Marriage Collection, 1800-1969
about Charles G Mansony
Name: Charles G Mansony
Spouse: Merced Desoto
Marriage Date: 22 May 1824
County: Mobile

State: Alabama
Source information: Jordan Dodd, Liahona Research
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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby Tessa78 » 03 Sep 2010, 13:28

Hello Anne,
:-)
Use this name distribution site to see where the name exists today...
According to the site the name Mansoni exists in one community.
You may wish to try various spellings..

http://gens.labo.net/it/cognomi/

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby PeterTimber » 03 Sep 2010, 13:47

Anne you might want to trace down the family thru google.com just put inthe title MANSONI SURNAME GENEALOGY LIVORNO ITALY and see where it takes you. Perhaps someone has already researched the genealogy of the family dating back to Livorno already saving you hours of research. =Peter=
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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2010, 13:58

I searched abt the Mansani and the Cocchi in Livorno area and Grosseto area... the Cocchi surname appearing in the towns of
Campiglia Marittima,
Macioli,
Massa Marittima,
Piombino,
Vaglia;
especially in Campiglia Marittima ( Livorno) and Massa Marittima (Grosseto);

I found only a:
-Maria Cocchi died in 1801 in Campiglia Marittima, Livorno( parish: S. Lorenzo)
I no found a Rocco Mansani record, however the surname appearing in Campiglia Marittima (Livorno), Massa Marittima (Grosseto), Piombino (Livorno), Riotorto (Livorno)....

Maybe Livorno town as birthplace ... meaning abt some Commune the Livorno province birthplace...?
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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby suanj » 03 Sep 2010, 14:43

I found some other trip of Giovanni Mansani( John Mansony):

New York, 1820-1850 Passenger and Immigration Lists
about John Manson
Name: John Manson
Arrival Date: 13 Dec 1822
Age: 33
Gender: M (Male)
Port of Arrival: New York
Port of Departure: London
Destination: United States of America
Ship: Ship London
Birthplace: Leghorn
Microfilm Serial Number: M237
Microfilm Roll Number: 3
List Number: 603

Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s
about John J. Mansoni
Name: John J. Mansoni
Year: 1822
Age: 33
Estimated birth year: abt 1789
Place: New York, New York
Source Publication Code: 503.10.91
Primary Immigrant: Mansoni, John J.
Annotation: Date and port of arrival. Gender, occupation, country of origin, name of ship, and final destination may also be provided. Extracted from Customs passenger lists which are among the holdings of the National Archives. When family relationships were unclear, editor arranged passengers and dependents in alphabetic sequence by given name.
Source Bibliography: BENTLEY, ELIZABETH P. Passenger Arrivals at the Port of New York, 1820-1829. Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Co., 1999, pp. 655-1373 (Ju-Z).
Page: 782

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2010, 06:46

pink67 wrote:Considering that the last name Mansoni today doesn't exist in Italy, I believe the correct spell was Mansani....

Laura



Hi Anne, I wrote this because I generally use these two sites to know where a lastname is present today in Italy:

http://www.gens.labo.net/

http://italia.indettaglio.it/eng/cognomi/cognomi.html

as I noticed that there was only one presence in the Sicily region I thought that maybe the spell of the lastname was incorrect...

However I think that the best thing for you to do is to contact the italian professor who wrote a book on your ancestor:

Pink67 wrote:Anne,

this is the web page of the italian professor who wrote a book on Giovanni Mansoni:

http://www.sp.unipi.it/index.php?page=/hp/vernassa

the book:

Il primo console toscano negli Stati Uniti: il livornese Giovanni Francesco Mansoni a Boston (1817-1821) (2002)

Laura

ps.

link to the page with the contacts for the Professor Maurizio Vernassa:
http://unimap.unipi.it/cercapersone/det ... hp?ri=5834



I believe that him will be happy to know a direct descendant :D and possible he has other helpful informations regarding Mansony's history....

Laura

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Re: Mansoni Family of Livorno, Tuscany

Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2010, 08:11

For references, from the site:

http://nopl.minisisinc.com/NOPL/SCRIPTS ... rectsearch

Mansoni, Charles
Death date: 1860-07-19
Age: 60 years
Sex: M
Obituary citation(s):
Daily Delta, 1860-07-20, Pg. 2 col. 3,2

Daily Crescent, 1860-07-25, Pg. 4 col. 5

Daily True Delta, 1860-07-20, Pg. 6 col. 4

Mansoni, Mrs. Merced Rita
Death date: 1858-09-01
Age: 54 years
Sex: F
Next of kin: Charles J Mansoni (husband)

Obituary citation(s):
Daily Picayune, 1858-09-02, Pg. 2 col. 5

I apologize if you already have this document... it's the official nomination of Giovan Francesco Mansoni to Consul in Boston and New England on 1817:

page 1:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts1ST4A

page 2:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=Ts1S_z0

On the 1860 census there is listed a Pamela Roberston, age 7, born in New Orleans... Is she the same Palmyra Robinson you're talking about? Who were Palmyra's parents?

Laura


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