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Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Gaz67 » 04 Aug 2010, 18:52

Hello everybody, nice to meet you.

I'm looking for any information that may be available on my grandmother Henrietta Pietronave.

I really know very little other than she came from the Genoa area and emigrated to London some time in the 1920s. My dad Geraldo was born illegitimately in January 1930 in London (Hanover Square), so I would guess she was born in the 1900s or thereabouts. Unfortunately she died in the early 40s from illness but I can trace no death certificate. There may have been a relative of hers in London at that time also.

What I would like to know is where and when she was born and when she emigrated to the UK?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Ippaso » 26 Oct 2010, 21:16

Gaz67 wrote:Hello everybody, nice to meet you.

I'm looking for any information that may be available on my grandmother Henrietta Pietronave.

I really know very little other than she came from the Genoa area and emigrated to London some time in the 1920s. My dad Geraldo was born illegitimately in January 1930 in London (Hanover Square), so I would guess she was born in the 1900s or thereabouts. Unfortunately she died in the early 40s from illness but I can trace no death certificate. There may have been a relative of hers in London at that time also.

What I would like to know is where and when she was born and when she emigrated to the UK?

Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
Pietronave is an uncommon surname. I know it because is tipical of Buto, Varese Ligure, La Spezia
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Gaz67 » 30 Oct 2010, 00:31

Thanks for that Maurizio.

Yes...all of my internet searches point to that area of Italy. I'll have to pay a visit someday.

Is there any kind of archive there with birth/emigration records?
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Ippaso » 30 Oct 2010, 08:35

Gaz67 wrote:Thanks for that Maurizio.

Yes...all of my internet searches point to that area of Italy. I'll have to pay a visit someday.

Is there any kind of archive there with birth/emigration records?


www.buto.it. You can start your search here
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 30 Oct 2010, 09:20

I searched in the birth index of Maissana and Sestri Levante( the Pietronave surname was also in this towns), and nobody Enrichetta( Henrietta) was born;
but for Varese Ligure it are no helpful indexes, just the indexes abt this years( helpfuls for the certain priod of time when your Henrietta was born ..probably):
1891
1892
1894
1901
1902
1905
1909
and nobody Enrichetta birth record..
instead the birth acts are( always thinking abt the Henrietta probable time of birth ):
1890
1891
1892
1893
1894
1895
1896
1897
1898
1899
1900
1901
1902
1903
1904
1905
1906
1907
1908
1909
1910
but need of to know almost the exact birthyear, otherwise a hand research is very long...
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Gaz67 » 31 Oct 2010, 14:08

suanj wrote:I searched in the birth index of Maissana and Sestri Levante( the Pietronave surname was also in this towns), and nobody Enrichetta( Henrietta) was born;
but for Varese Ligure it are no helpful indexes, just the indexes abt this years( helpfuls for the certain priod of time when your Henrietta was born ..probably):
1891
1892
1894
1901
1902
1905
1909
and nobody Enrichetta birth record..
instead the birth acts are( always thinking abt the Henrietta probable time of birth ):
1890
1891
1892
1893
1894
1895
1896
1897
1898
1899
1900
1901
1902
1903
1904
1905
1906
1907
1908
1909
1910
but need of to know almost the exact birthyear, otherwise a hand research is very long...
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Many thanks Suanj.

I have a strong feeling she was born in the late 1900's (around 1910).

I base this on the limited information my father revealed from time to time (he didn't talk much about his childhood).

From memory I'm sure he said that she was in her early thirties when she died around 1943 - he had been evacuated during the war but returned to London when she became unwell and sadly passed away. He also showed me a photograph many years ago (which has since gone missing) and she looked like a lady in her late twenties. She was dressed and looked a little like this :-) (30s fashions):
http://www.theretroknittingcompany.co.u ... ay657a.jpg

He also told my mother that when his mother died an 'auntie' came for him but he didn't want to go. I have a feeling that the 'auntie' is either Rosa or Nina Pietronave mentioned in this thread:
http://www.italiangenealogy.com/Forums/ ... glish.html
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 31 Oct 2010, 16:00

well that matching, because San Pietro Vara is a hamlet of Varese Ligure; because I searched in this birthyears( by indexes):
1891
1892
1894
1901
1902
1905
1909
so I searched in 1910 year (75 pages) and it was born
PIETRONAVE:
-Davide
-Anna daughter of Simone
-Margherita " of Antonio
-Vittorio son of Pietro
-Anna daughter of Giuseppe
-Carmela Graziosa " of Giovanni
-Emanuele son of Antonio
-Rosa daughter of Davide
-Eugenio son of late Giambattista

No more Pietronaves born in 1910...
abt:
Rosa Pietronave
Born: 4th July 1881 in San Pietro Vara, Italy (from her passport)
Died:
Arrived in the UK: 1st March 1900
Address: 62 Puller Road, High Barnet (London)
Registration Certificate issued: 26th May 1925. (no. 25469)

in all July 1881 I no found the birth record...
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 31 Oct 2010, 16:52

1908 births in Varese Ligure( 78 pages)
PIETRONAVE:
-Pasquina Eugenia daughter of Giovanni
-Maria Antonia " of Pietro
-Maria " of Davide
-Giovanni son of Antonio( twin)
-Giambattista """"
-Elisa Maria daughter of Pietro
-Maria Angela daughter of Giovanni
no more Pietronaves born in Varese Ligure, year: 1908
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2010, 10:54

1907 births in Varese Ligure (70 pages)
PIETRONAVE:
-Maria Giulia daughter of Pietro
-Maria Isolina daughter of Antonio
-Luigi son of Giambattista
-Davide son of Giovanni
-Antonio Nicola son of Giuseppe
-Giuseppe son of Simone
-Giulia daughter of Luigi

no more Pietronaves born in Varese Ligure, year: 1907
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2010, 11:23

1906 births in Varese Ligure (69 pages)
PIETRONAVE:
-Elena daughter of Antonio
-Giovanni Giuseppe son of Giovanni
-Maria Isolina daughter of Antonio
-Luigia daughter of Pietro
-Giambattista son of Pietro

no more Pietronaves born in Varese Ligure, year: 1906
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby Gaz67 » 01 Nov 2010, 12:11

Thanks you so much for taking the time to look for me Suanj.

I'm planning to visit the National Archives here in London in the hope of locating a death certificate.

I have a feeling many documents of Italian citizens were confiscated during the war years.
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2010, 15:45

1904 births in Varese Ligure (83 pages)
PIETRONAVE:
-Enrico son of Antonio
-Venanzio son of Giovanni
-Antonio di Giambattista
-Maria Erminia daughter of Pietro and Caterina Chiosi (b. 4 Jun 1904-Varese Ligure); no marriage note at bottom
-Giovanni Agostino son of Giovanni
no more Pietronaves born in Varese Ligure, year: 1904
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PS: until now, the more probable record is abt Maria Erminia; I know not if the italian first name: Erminia, it can be anglicized in Henrietta
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2010, 16:19

1903 births in Varese Ligure( 70 pages)
PIETRONAVE:
-Pietro son of Pietro and Caterina Chiosi
-Isolina daughter of Giovanni
-Maria Clementina daughter of Giovanni
no more Pietronaves born in Varese Ligure, year: 1903
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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2010, 17:18

Resume of Pietronave births in Varese Ligure from 1900 to 1910:
1900
PIETRONAVE:
-Maria Angiolina daughter of Giovanni
-Annetta daughter of Antonio
-Emma Maria daughter of Giovanni
-Pietro son of Giuseppe
1901
PIETRONAVE:
-Caterina daughter of Giovanni
-Cesare son of Giovanni
-Maria daughter of Giuseppe
-Umberto son of Antonio
-Eugenio Giambattista son of Agostino
-Maria Lucia daughter of Giuseppe
-Giambattista son of Giambattista
-Adele daughter of Pietro
1902
PIETRONAVE:
-Adelina daughter of Domenico
-Pietro Bartolomeo son of Giovanni
-Giovanni Pietro son of Simone
-Maria Virginia daughter of Giovanni
-Maria Margherita daughter of Giovanni
-Pietro Adamo son of Giovanni Battista
1903
PIETRONAVE:
-Pietro son of Pietro and Caterina Chiosi
-Isolina daughter of Giovanni
-Maria Clementina daughter of Giovanni
1904
PIETRONAVE:
-Enrico son of Antonio
-Venanzio son of Giovanni
-Antonio di Giambattista
-Maria Erminia daughter of Pietro and Caterina Chiosi (b. 4 Jun 1904-Varese Ligure); no marriage note at bottom
-Giovanni Agostino son of Giovanni
1905
PIETRONAVE:
-Bianca Caterina daughter of Giovanni
-Luigi Enrico son of Simone
-Stefano son of Giovanni
-Gaetano Antonio son of Giuseppe

1906
PIETRONAVE:
-Elena daughter of Antonio
-Giovanni Giuseppe son of Giovanni
-Maria Isolina daughter of Antonio
-Luigia daughter of Pietro
-Giambattista son of Pietro
1907
PIETRONAVE:
-Maria Giulia daughter of Pietro
-Maria Isolina daughter of Antonio
-Luigi son of Giambattista
-Davide son of Giovanni
-Antonio Nicola son of Giuseppe
-Giuseppe son of Simone
-Giulia daughter of Luigi
1908
PIETRONAVE:
-Pasquina Eugenia daughter of Giovanni
-Maria Antonia " of Pietro
-Maria " of Davide
-Giovanni son of Antonio( twin)
-Giambattista """"
-Elisa Maria daughter of Pietro
-Maria Angela daughter of Giovanni
1909
PIETRONAVE:
-Teresa daughter of Giovanni
-Pietro Lazzaro son of Domenico
-Maria Rosa daughter of Giovanni
-Silvia daughter of Antonio
1910
PIETRONAVE:
-Davide son of Luigi
-Anna daughter of Simone
-Margherita " of Antonio
-Vittorio son of Pietro
-Anna daughter of Giuseppe
-Carmela Graziosa " of Giovanni
-Emanuele son of Antonio
-Rosa daughter of Davide
-Eugenio son of late Giambattista

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Re: Henrietta Pietronave from the Genoa area

Postby suanj » 02 Nov 2010, 10:53

Hi,
MAYBE I found Henrietta birth; I am very positive that is your ancestor, because Enrico( male) Enrica/ Enrichetta( female) first names, in all records that I read in this days, well in Varese Ligure( covering also the hamlets of Buto and San Pietro Vara) just I found 2 or 3 people with this name.. no most used in Varese Ligure!
Enrichetta Luigia Pietronave, born in San Pietro Vara hamlet of Varese Ligure in the day 5 oct 1899, daughter of Agostino 63 old, farmer, and Anna Barbieri of age 41;
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I am sure that is your Henrietta...
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