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Help - has my search ended?

Postby dixiecricket13 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:24

I have been searching, without luck, for the birth records and parent names for Frances Salvaggio Tortorice. She arrived in the US in 1902 and married Joe/Giuseppe Tortorice in 1905 in Louisiana. Her death record states her father's name is Bernard Salvaggio and her mother is Mary Romano.

I have looked everywhere that I can think for Bernardos and Marias and Francescas and cannot find anything that correlates with Frances' approximate birth date of 1885 in Italy. So far, I cannot find where she applied for citizenship or for a SSN, so I don't even know where to begin in trying to find her, or her parents', records from Italy.

Any suggestions or has my search ended?
-Christina

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Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:37

Her parents' names appeared on that marriage record I translated for you. The only discrepancy was that the mother was listed only as Anna Romano and not as Maria Romano on that record. That does not mean that Maria was not her middle name. She may have been Anna Maria and then only used Maria (Mary).

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 05 Aug 2010, 15:39

Do you have her actual death certificate? Assuming that she lived beyond the 1930's she should have had a social security number; you may find this on her death certificate. With the number, you can order a copy of her social security application which should include her birthplace and parent's names.
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Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:45

actually in looking again at her parents' marriage record, I see a tiny letter M in the air after the first name Anna for Anna Romano, so I do believe her mother was Anna Maria Romano.

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Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:48

The parents married in Campofiorito, but their marriage record does not indicate if they were born there or their ages. Their marriage took place in 1864.

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Postby dixiecricket13 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:48

Hi -

Thanks for the quick responses. I do not have her actual death certificate; although she died in 1962, only the death record as provided by family search pilot. It does not list a SSN and ancestry does not show a death record at all for her. I have received a negative result from NARA so I know that she never applied for citizenship and I thought you had to do that before you could get a SSN.

Hi Maestra - I am second guessing my record find; that is why I am seeking confirmation. Although I am pretty sure that the record I found, that you graciously translated, I am trying to find confirmation.

The only undocumented information that I have to go on is that the daughter of Frances, Mary, was a bit snooty when it came to Bisacquino claiming that her family was not from there; so that leaves the rest of Italy to search. How would I even begin?

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Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 15:52

You need to find a U.S. which confirms her place of birth in Italy. You said she arrived in the U.S. in 1902. Did you find her passenger list?

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 05 Aug 2010, 15:54

No, you did not (and still do not) need to be a citizen in order to get a social security card.

I looked at the two censuses in your ancestry . com family tree and see that she is listed as "Na" (Naturalized) in one of them (was it the 1930?). If NARA doesn't have the records, you could try for a USCIS Index Search being certain to give both her maiden and married names.

She may have naturalized automatically with her husband; if he did so prior to 1922 (? not sure about that date), then she will be listed on his papers so look for his, not hers.
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 05 Aug 2010, 16:26

Don't know if this has come up before, but I assume this is Giuseppe?

Social Security Death Index:

Name - TORTORICE, JOE
Born - 17 Dec 1886
Died - Aug 1976 age 89
Last Address - 35228 Birmingham, Jefferson, AL
Card issued - Alabama
SS# - 417-48-5011
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Postby dixiecricket13 » 05 Aug 2010, 18:08

Hi -

The record for Guiseppe/Joe is accurate. That record was her husband. I do not recall seeing the "Na" on the census records but whenever I look at those I get so distracted by all of the other bits of information that it's entirely possible that I forgot to look. I will try the USCIS and see what I can find.

Thank you for the help. Especially with catching the "M" on the marriage record. Again I thought I had looked for that but obviously didn't catch it.
I'll let you know what I find out from USCIS to see if I can confirm this record.

I know it seems like double the work to confirm 2 sources but I would hate to find out that I had run down a group of people that I wasn't related to.

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Postby dixiecricket13 » 05 Aug 2010, 18:39

Hi

Maestra -

I took a 2nd look at the marriage record and see the "M"; how you are able to read the rest of that I will never know but I thank you for taking the time to help me.

I'm going to assume that this is the correct couple. I do not know why NARA could not locate her information; but I have ordered her death certificate from the state, so perhaps I will find more information that way.

Thanks again!

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 05 Aug 2010, 18:47

NARA generally holds naturalization papers only for persons who naturalized in federal courts. Prior to the 1940's and especially in the late 1800's / early 1900's, most naturalizations were done in state or county courts.

Keep in mind also (although I don't think it applies in this case) that USCIS has naturalization records from September ? 1906 onwards. Prior to that date, you are at the mercy of local, county, and state archives.
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Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 21:22

Christina
When you look at the marriage records on familysearchlabs.org, I want you to look at the one which is for Campofiorito for Sept 12, 1840. It is image 108 of 152=record #208..

This is a marriage for a Vincent Salvagio (a widower). His first wife was Anna Fruyteri (spelling ?). He was the legitimate and natural son of deceased Bernardi Savaggio and Josepha Capozza (her name would be like Josephine). The bride was Joanna Ciaccio (her name in the index looks like Ciallio). She was single and the legitimate daughter of Francesco Ciaccio (I think he was deceased) and Josepha Gatto.

Witnesses to the marriage were (Magistro) Michael Vinci and Vincent Alonge.

I think these are the parents in your 1864 record, even though Joanna's last name seems to vary a bit in spelling. Otherwise the names seem to fit, especially since there was a daughter named Frances who may have been named after the Francesco above.

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Re: Help - has my search ended?

Postby maestra36 » 05 Aug 2010, 21:23

I meant to spell Bernard's last name as Salvagio (it only had one g in this record). The Savaggio is a typo.

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Re: Help - has my search ended?

Postby dixiecricket13 » 05 Aug 2010, 21:31

Seriously, how did you even find that? I've been slogging through each page of the baptismal records looking for a Francisca with parents of Bernardi/Bernardo/Bernardus and Anna Maria Romano. Frances was supposed to have been born in 1885 but so far I have been from 1881 through April 1886 without luck.

Seriously how in the world did you find this record? This is great!
-Christina


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