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Borsina

Postby ursaitaliano70 » 08 Aug 2010, 18:51

Looking for any information on the Borsina family name. I have hit a brick wall. I can not find anything on Giuseppe Borsina born 1890 died 1934. He was married to Caroline Mattina. They were both born in Sicily. Came to America and resided in Manhattan moved to Highland NY.
Hope someone has any info at all. Giuseppe has no records! I have conflicting documents for Caroline back to her birth in either 1899 or 1900.

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Re: Borsina

Postby vj » 08 Aug 2010, 22:04

Welcome to the Forum!

possible 1930 census
http://a.imageshack.us/img683/9401/1930.jpg

Home in 1930:
New Paltz Turnpike, owns house $3000
Highland Village
Lloyd Twp, Ulster, New York

head Joseph Basine 37, abt 1893 IT
- married age 24, abt 1917
- immig 1912, Na (naturalized)
- laborer, preserve(?) factory
wife Caroline Basine 31, abt 1899 IT
- immig 1912
daughter Ida Basine 12, abt 1918 NY
daughter Kate Basine 10, abt 1920 NY
daughter Angeline Basine 8, abt 1922 NY
daughter Maggie Basine 6, abt 1924 NY
son Midse (Michael) Basine 5, abt 1925 NY
son Charlie Basine 2 6/12, abt 1927 NY
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in case you haven't seen this

Obituary for daughter Ida
From Old Fulton Newspapers
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

The Kingston Daily Freeman
Monday Evening 17 Apr 1939
http://a.imageshack.us/img217/5499/ida1939.jpg

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Re: Borsina

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Re: Borsina

Postby vj » 08 Aug 2010, 22:54

Hi mj :D !
Carolina's manifest is proving to be a real challenge to find.
I think she may have been married abt 1916-1917, probably in NY.
Maybe she traveled under a different 1st name? Or with her mother?

Giuseppe Borsina's ship manifest is also difficult to locate
Borsina/i is probably not the original spelling of his surname

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Re: Borsina

Postby misbris » 09 Aug 2010, 00:18

Hi vj, :D

This is a puzzler.

Name is probably Borsini or (very rare) Borsino. But name does not appear in Sicily. Borsina does not exist in Italy today.

No records for a marriage in NYC.

If Carolina travelled as a child, we need mother's maiden name.

Were you able to find anything on a 1920 census?

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Re: Borsina

Postby vj » 09 Aug 2010, 12:38

Hi mj!
Can't find 1920 census or WWI Card
Even tried search for daughter IDA in NY born 1917 +/- 1 yr...
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Re: Borsina

Postby ursaitaliano70 » 09 Aug 2010, 19:16

Thanks everyone! Especially Vj for the census!!! That's the first census I have seen and it is definitely them. Now at least we know Joseph and caroline were together in Highland in 1930 We think Charlie is really Ignazio as the age matches with his birthday. We have discovered that the Borsina name does not exist in NY state before 1900 and those are only the immediate family. We have Caroline's Soc. Sec.application form that she filled out but she misspelled her maiden name on it twice and also there is confusing info on it. Supposedly she was a Mattina but listed her father as Ignazio Martina and mother as Carolina Martnia! She may have misunderstood the question about her mother's name on it and gave her name instead. However, the spelling of the surname is different than her Dad's.She did list her Birthdate as being Oct. 31, 1899.We have also seen her youngest son Joseph's last name written as Borsini.
Here's more confusing info-- my mother in law's Birth Cerificate has her father listed as Giuseppe Borsenno ! We have a feeling they didn't speak English very well and whoever filled out the forms for them spelled it the way it sounded.
Again, thanks so much for all your help. I'd appreciate any info you can give. Maybe I eventually can solve this mystery with help from this forum.

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Re: Borsina

Postby misbris » 09 Aug 2010, 21:10

Thanks for the additional info you have provided. If I may ask, what information do you have that documents the correct spelling of both last names?

vj, I can't pull this manifest up on Ellis Island, can you check ancestry?

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passR ... 0992020009

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Re: Borsina

Postby misbris » 09 Aug 2010, 21:20

I discounted this manifest before because Altoona was the destination. However, it can't hurt to take a look at it.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0008

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Re: Borsina

Postby vj » 09 Aug 2010, 21:26

misbris wrote:Thanks for the additional info you have provided. If I may ask, what information do you have that documents the correct spelling of both last names?

vj, I can't pull this manifest up on Ellis Island, can you check ancestry?

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/passR ... 0992020009


Here you go mj :D
Headed to Chicago

20 Sep 1912
line 9
http://a.imageshack.us/img64/1412/1912i.jpg
pg 2
http://a.imageshack.us/img443/3860/191201.jpg

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Re: Borsina

Postby ursaitaliano70 » 09 Aug 2010, 21:45

Hi Misbris,

Giuseppe's descendants all go by Borsina for the most part.
Caroline's name on my Mother-in Law's birth certificate is Mattina.
I do know she had two sisters. One's name is Carmella Gasabona (Garwood, NJ) and the others name is Della LaMonte (Brooklyn, NY). I am not sure if they are alive yet. These are their marriage names. Got the info from Caroline's newspaper obit. Caroline died in 1973 after she moved in with one of her children in Garfield, NJ. I really think Caroline's last name was Mattina or Mattino and not Martina.

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Re: Borsina

Postby vj » 09 Aug 2010, 21:51

ursaitaliano70 wrote:...I do know she had two sisters. One's name is Carmella Gasabona (Garwood, NJ)


Hi, may be Casabona :D

Name: Carmela Casabona
Born: 12 Mar 1898
Died: May 1981
Last Residence: 07027 Garwood, Union, New Jersey
Last Benefit: 07090 Westfield, Union, New Jersey
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)
SSN: 145-18-xxxx

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not much help, may be sister Carmela Mattina and husband Salvatore Casabona

Carmela arrived abt 1909, 11 yrs old?

1920 census
http://a.imageshack.us/img835/2164/1920p.jpg
1918 WWI Card
http://a.imageshack.us/img707/5575/1918.jpg

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Re: Borsina

Postby ursaitaliano70 » 10 Aug 2010, 16:35

VJ,
Thanks for the name correction! The census repoort and WW registration however don't seem to make a match. Thanks anyway Appreciate all the help from misbris also.

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Re: Borsina

Postby misbris » 10 Aug 2010, 17:12

My Aunt Millie and Uncle Sam's given names were Carmella and Salvatore. This is a ver common Americanization of names. (They were from NJ also.)

You have to sift carefully through information and keep an open mind. :wink: As you said previously, spelling and transcription errors abound in early records. Best records are ship's manifests and original birth certificates.

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Re: Borsina

Postby misbris » 10 Aug 2010, 17:23

Possible manifest for Salvatore Casabona.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018


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