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Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby Savio » 12 Aug 2010, 02:22

Hello: I am trying to find out more information about my maternal Grandfather's family. I was able to find out a little bit of information, but there must be more out there. I'm just not sure where to go next, and any advice or information would be greatly appreciated.

Here's what I've found: from www.ellisisland.org, my Great-Grandfather, Alfonso Fratti (born 1870) first came over from Pavullo Modara (perhaps Modena?) in August 19, 1905 from Cherbourg, France. The text record indicates he was single at the time. Unfortunately, due to a "service delay" I have been unable to view the ship manifest. There is also another record on Spetember 25, 1906. At that point, he is now married to my Great-Grandmother, Teresa Donini Fratti (born 1886). They shipped out of Havre, France, bound for Cardiff, Illinois (Livingston County). I believe that he came first in 1905 to scout things out with some other relatives, went back to Pavullo, got married, then came back for good in 1906. Interestingly, from what I've learned, Cardiff was a coal mining town that is essentially a ghost town today.

My Grandfather, Guerino Fratti, was born in 1908 in Cardiff, Illinois. While I have not registered at www.ancestry.com, I did a basic free search on their website and was able to see that there is a 1930 Census record for them in Christian County, Illinois. I believe that at this point they were in Kincaid, Illinois. Eventually, they moved to Decatur, Illinois (Macon County). My mom was born in 1941, I was born in 1974. The only other thngs that I've done is request information from the Social Security Administration on my Grandfather, and I did a basic Italian white pages search for Fratti's and Donini's in Pavullo and Modena (13 Fratti's in Modena, 1 in Pavullo; 12 Donini's in Modena, 11 in Pavullo).

I was thinking about doing a naturalization search for my Great-Grandfather, but I do not have all the required information needed to complete the online form request, and I do not know if I can leave anything blank (for instance I don't know the City in which naturalization occurred and I don't even know if it occurred, or the date range, or residence information). I also have a G-1041 Genealogy Index Search Request Form and a G-1041A, and a G-639. First, I don't know if these forms are even used still. Second, I don't know what they would get me. From what I've heard, the G-1041 should be sent in first, then with the information received, one fills out the G-1041A. I'm not sure about the G-639.

I'd like first and foremost to get some more information about this side of my family for my own knowledge. But, I have to admit, that I'm also curious about dual citizenship via Jure Sanguinis; however, based on what I've found, I do not know if I would even qualify. That may be a topic for another board. That's about where I'm at now. Sorry this is so long. Thank you for all your help.
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby misbris » 12 Aug 2010, 02:53

Hi and welcome to the forum,

Here is the manifest you were looking for.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027

Sorry, that is the 1906 manifest. :oops: I am having the same trouble with the 1905 one.
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby misbris » 12 Aug 2010, 02:58

take a look at the text version of the 1905 manifest. Note the name above his.

http://www.ellisisland.org/search/viewT ... 2440180022
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 09:14

yes misbris on ellisisland.org the ship's manifest is no available... here by ancestry.com:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Alfonso Fratti
Name: Alfonso Fratti
Arrival Date: 19 Aug 1905
Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 31
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Cherbourg
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Philadelphia

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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 09:20

the 1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Alfonse Frati
Name: Alfonse Frati
Age in 1910: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Theresa
Home in 1910: Round Grove, Livingston, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1901
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfonse Frati 39 coal miner, married from 3 years
Theresa Frati 23
Gorino Frati 2

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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 09:37

I found a Gervasio Fratti maybe related at your ancestor(??):
Gervasio came the first time in 1906:
First Name:
Gervasio
Last Name:
Fratti
Ethnicity:
Italy, Italian
Last Place of Residence:
Pavullo
Date of Arrival:
Sep 25, 1906
Age at Arrival: 17y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel:
La Savoie
Port of Departure:
Havre
Manifest Line Number:
0030

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030
Gervasio Fratti from Pavullo joining at uncle in Cardiff IL

second trip:

First Name: Gervatio
Last Name: Fratti
Ethnicity: Italian North
Last Place of Residence: Pavullo, Italy
Date of Arrival: Jun 17, 1913
Age at Arrival: 24y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: La Touraine
Port of Departure: Havre
Manifest Line Number: 0016

pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0016
father Pietro Forti (maybe Fratti!) in Pavullo

pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0016
joining at brother Alfonso in Cherry IL

3° trip:

First Name: Gervasio
Last Name: Fratti
Ethnicity:
Last Place of Residence: Kinciad, Illinoise
Date of Arrival: Nov 29, 1924
Age at Arrival: 34y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Conte Verde
Port of Departure: Genoa
Manifest Line Number: 0013


http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0013

4° trip:
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New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Gervasio Fratti
Name: Gervasio Fratti
Arrival Date: 9 May 1935
Birth Year: abt 1890
Age: 45
Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Conte Di Savoia

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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 09:50

abt jure sanguinis... until 1930 census Alfonso is alien (AL) as a well Teresa...
I believe that this census ( some data wrong: Alfonso and Teresa ages and gender of children) could be abt your Alfonso:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Alphonso Fratt
Name: Alphonso Fratt
[Alphonse Fratt]
Home in 1920: South Fork, Christian, Illinois
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name: Theresa
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Own
Year of Immigration: 1907
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alphonso Fratt 37 (wrong age) alien
Theresa Fratt 33 (wrong age) alien
Verina Fratt 9 ( daughter.... I believe son!)
Alphonesine Fratt 7 ( son... I believe daughter!)
Gerressio Fratt 30 [Gervasio Fratti-nephew(??)] naturalized
Baltista Fratt 28 [ (Battista Fratti- nephew(???)] naturalized
Carlo Cerfoli 31 boarder


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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby Savio » 12 Aug 2010, 11:17

Wow! This is fantastic information! Thank you all very much for your help!
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby Savio » 12 Aug 2010, 11:30

I noticed that there are some numbers next to their names on the 1906 ship manifest. They look like this: 12-33721 - 4/2/43 and 12-33711 - 3/27/43. Does anyone know what they might be?

Also, would anyone be able to post the 1930 Census information? I would really appreciate it. Thank you all very much.
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 13:46

I believe are the marking abt naturalization in 1943.. however Guerino was born in 1908 so Alfonso transmitted the italian citizenship to Guerino as a well Alphonsina...
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 12 Aug 2010, 13:50

here the 1930 census of Alfonso:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Alfonso Fratti
Name: Alfonso Fratti
Home in 1930: Kincaid, Christian, Illinois
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Age: 60
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Teresa
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfonso Fratti 60
Teresa Fratti 44
Guerino Fratti 22
Alfonsina Fratti 17



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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby JimRidings » 13 Aug 2010, 15:10

I have researched the history of Cardiff, Illinois, and written a book. Altho I do not see the Fratti name in my book, I am interested in continuing to gather the history of Cardiff, now a ghost town. I would use any added information in an update in a second printing. You can see the book listed on Amazon.com. Please email me at jridings@keynet.net and we can exchange information. Thanks. Jim Ridings
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby Savio » 20 Aug 2010, 16:05

Hi, if possible, would anyone be able to post an image for the 1910 Census information referenced above? I would really appreciate it. Thank you again for all your help.
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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby vj » 20 Aug 2010, 16:11

suanj wrote:the 1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Alfonse Frati
Name: Alfonse Frati
Age in 1910: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Theresa
Home in 1910: Round Grove, Livingston, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1901
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfonse Frati 39 coal miner, married from 3 years
Theresa Frati 23
Gorino Frati 2

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Re: Alfonso Fratti and Teresa Donini Fratti from Pavullo

Postby suanj » 20 Aug 2010, 16:16

suanj wrote:the 1910 census:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Alfonse Frati
Name: Alfonse Frati
Age in 1910: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1871
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Theresa
Home in 1910: Round Grove, Livingston, Illinois
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1901
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfonse Frati 39 coal miner, married from 3 years
Theresa Frati 23
Gorino Frati 2

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