Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

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Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby mcoccaro » 19 Aug 2010, 17:49

Hello everyone!

I was wondering if anyone has information regarding the last names:

Peduto
di Perna

possibly from the Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo area definitely from the province of Salerno

more specifically Barbato Peduto (born 1869) who married a Filomena di Perna (born 1870)

Barbato may have had a brother Pietro. Came to New York 1890 on ship called Victoria out of the port of Naples.

I am searching for the parents and bloodline of this pair.

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby maestra36 » 23 Aug 2010, 09:44

Hello and welcome to this forum. I believe the following is death information for your ancestor:


From the NYC death index:

Peduto Barbato 70 y died June 2, 1940 Certificate #12359 Manhattan

http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm

There is a link on the above page to order his death certificate from the NYC Municipal archives. His parents' names should be on the certificate, although the information on a death certificate is not always accurate. It is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant who gave the information.

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby mcoccaro » 24 Aug 2010, 07:49

Thank you! This information is greatly appreciated. :)

Do you have access to other death notices?

I am having difficulty finding the location of my great grandparents on the 1900 census in New York City. By 1910 they were on Sullivan Street...1920 they moved one block over to Thompson Street. But since the transcription on the 1900 census doesn't seem to be so accurate, I have been searching for the ward of Manhattan that covered 226-ish Sullivan Street. The names have been butchered in the past but usually I can recognize them when I scan the pages.

The person I am curious about is their son Pietro Antonio Peduto born in 1890. I am not sure if he survived adulthood, since he doesn't pop up on the 1910 census. They had another son Pietro with the same name years later...but this is a different individual.

Also cannot find record of Giuseppa Peduto another sibling that was on the 1910 census...is Josie a possible nickname for Giuseppa?


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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby maestra36 » 24 Aug 2010, 10:38

Peduto Pietro 11 m June 26 1891 certificate #22033 Manhattan

This is the only Pietro in the NYC death index with the surname spelled correctly. I can't say for sure if he is yours. You can search the index yourself by going to the following website:

http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm

There are also other NYC vital records indexes on this website.

And to answer your question about Josie being a nickname for Giuseppa, the answer is yes. Giuseppa in English is Josephine, so Josie is definitely a nicikname.

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby vj » 24 Aug 2010, 13:41

Hi!
Just for everyone's reference, is this the correct 1910 census?
Thank you
Valarie

http://a.imageshack.us/img178/2561/1910.jpg

Home in 1910:
226 Sullivan Street, rents
Manhattan Ward 15, New York, New York

head Barbato Perdutri 40, abt 1870 IT
- married 23 yrs, abt 1887
- immig 1890, Al
- tailor, tailor shop
wife Filomena Perdutri 42, abt 1868 IT
- 10 children born, 6 children living
- immig 1890
daughter Giovannina Perdutri 18, abt 1892 NY
daughter Angelina Perdutri 16, abt 1894 NY
daughter Giuseppa Perdutri 15, abt 1895 NY
son Frank Perdutri 7, abt 1903 NY
son Pietro Perdutri 5, abt 1905 NY
daughter Angela Perdutri 1 6/12, ab t 1908 NY

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Aug 2010, 13:42

From the NYC death index:

Peduto Barbato 70 y died June 2, 1940 Certificate #12359 Manhattan

http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeath.stm

There is a link on the above page to order his death certificate from the NYC Municipal archives. His parents' names should be on the certificate, although the information on a death certificate is not always accurate. It is only as accurate as the knowledge of the informant who gave the information.


In addition to what Peg has told you...
You will find a Social Security # on his death certificate if he had one. You can use that number to request his SS application which will have his parents' names and his place of birth...
Request from:

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

Hi Valarie :-D

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Aug 2010, 13:59

maestra36 wrote:Peduto Pietro 11 m June 26 1891 certificate #22033 Manhattan


This may be the Pietro Peduto that is on the 1890 manifest with Barbato and Filomena...
Although Ancestry transcribed his age as 20-1/2...the manifest actually has a dash in year column, and a 2 in the months column.
Manifest - For Reference...
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/7583/perduto.jpg

Date of birth probably July/August 1890...traveling in Nov. 1890...
His death certificate will have his place of birth...



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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby mcoccaro » 24 Aug 2010, 15:07

Yes that is the correct census (yes the butchered the name somehow but it is the same family Peduto...)

I have tried hunting for them on the 1900 census Filomena, Barbato, Giovannina, Angelina and Giuseppa should be somewhere on that census

My approach has been to try to find the ward and street and maybe by chance they lived on Sullivan Street in 1900. I have also tried hunting the family combination without the last name incase there is another spelling

I even tried some nicknames like Jennie, Archangela, Josie, Jospehine...

no luck just yet...

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby vj » 24 Aug 2010, 15:09

mcoccaro wrote:... Also cannot find record of Giuseppa Peduto another sibling that was on the 1910 census...is Josie a possible nickname for Giuseppa?


possible marriage records

Name Marriage Date Marriage Certificate Number County

registered twice?
Cammarota Giovanni Oct 21 1915 25240 (1915) Manhattan
Peduta Giuseppina Oct 21 1915 25240 (1915) Manhattan

Cammorata Giovanni Oct 29 1916 25721 (1916) Manhattan
Peduta Giuseppina Oct 29 1916 25721 (1916) Manhattan
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Cocoaro Angelo Apr 27 1910 9328 (1910) Manhattan
Peduto Maria G Apr 27 1910 9328 (1910) Manhattan
note: may be Maria Giovannina
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from the same source as maestra's :D records:

Dr Steve Morse One Step Search Pages for New York:

NY Naturalization
NYC Birth Records 1901-1907
NYC Birth Records 1891-1902 (requires ancestry. com subscription)
NYC Groom Index 1864-1936
NYC Bride Index ????-1937
NYC Death Records 1891-1948

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/
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Hey T :D !

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Re: Piaggine, Valle dell'Angelo names Peduto, di Perna

Postby mcoccaro » 24 Aug 2010, 15:15

You are all wonderful!!! Thank you so much for your help! I am soooo excited!


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