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Birth Certificate

Postby joycerose » 24 Aug 2010, 16:34

I am looking for a birth certificate of a Rosa Di Scala born November 29, 1921, in Catania Italy or so I believe. Also her Mother a Maria Mangano Born on July 18, 1891. We believe Catania as well not absolutely sure

We were told by our Mother's that our grandmother Maria Mangano was adopted out to the Mangano's, Father, Giovanni Francesco Mangano and Mother, Maria Lojoudras, this information was on microfish through the SS office. not even sure the last name of her mother is correct as we cannot find a name that matches in any search.

We were also told our grandmother Maria Mangano was a decsendent of Royality. Seeking to find this information if it is at all possible to locate.
Thank you in advance for any information relating to our family.
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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby vj » 24 Aug 2010, 16:57

joycerose wrote:I am looking for a birth certificate of a Rosa Di Scala born November 29, 1921, in Catania Italy...


Welcome to the Forum Joyce!
Writing to the comune (town) for a birth record is no problem.
Since Catania is also a province, do you know if she was born in the comune of Catania or the province.
Thank you
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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby pink67 » 24 Aug 2010, 16:59

Father, Giovanni Francesco Mangano and Mother, Maria Lojoudras
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the correct maiden name for Maria's step-mother was Lo Giudice Francesca, see the 1922 arrival manifest for Maria Mangano:

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0001
page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0001

Maria Mongano, age 30, married, born in Catania, last residence in Italy Augusta, leaving there her step-mother Francesca Lo Giudice, was joining her husband Pasquale Di Scala in Brooklyn

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby vj » 24 Aug 2010, 17:02

Laura,
Great record find!
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Writing to Catania for birth record(s):

Comune di Catania
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Duomo 3
95124 Catania CT
ITALY


http://www.tuttitalia.it/sicilia/90-catania/
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Italian form letter generator with instructions:
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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby pink67 » 24 Aug 2010, 17:15

Thank you Val :D

this is the first arrival manifest for Maria Mangano (1913)

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0001

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0001

she stated her place of birth was Augusta (Siracusa province - Sicily region) and that she was leaving in Italy (Augusta) her father Francesco

Laura

she was travelling with her husband listed on another sheet:

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030
page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0030

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby vj » 24 Aug 2010, 17:21

Laura :D , another great find!
Valarie
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address for Augusta
(you may want to write to both Catania and Augusta for Maria)

Comune di Augusta
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza D'Astorga 10
96011 Augusta SR
ITALY


http://www.tuttitalia.it/sicilia/57-augusta/

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby joycerose » 24 Aug 2010, 20:30

All Great finds indeed!
We are aware of the ellis island, the dates they arrived and that my grandmother did go back to Italy, with 2 small sons,(Giovanni, and Dante) pregnant with Rosa, Rosa was born in Italy, but we cannot make out the names of her Mother and Father as you have done for us! We have her Father listed as Giovanni Francesco Mangano and mother as Maria, not Francesca. and now you have found her name for us Lo Giudice! We are also curious as to more family members, Concetta Mangano, Was her cousin, she married, and on the Ellis Island website it lists her Married name yet we cannot make it out..it looks like Pinni or Panni

We are a bit confused with her step mother, was she Maria's mother after her biologial mother died or were they both her step parents, as she was adopted by them? that is an unanswered question, for our research in our family.
Also as we grew up our Mothers (her daughters) had always told us she was adopted, and that she was born of a Royal family, My Uncle Dante Di Scala, was always known as Count. Our mothers told us our Grandmother was born from a Duchess or was herself a Duchess.
I don't expect to have all these questions answered here, I am very grateful you 2 were able to help us with names and places and the places we need to write to to get Birth Certificates! it is wonderful!
I will be back as I have so much excitment for all this information!
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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby joycerose » 24 Aug 2010, 20:35

What is also confusing for us is that our grandmother writes Catania as her birthplace for social security, and on the manifest she writes Augusta? I thnk you both so much! this is very needed information!

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Aug 2010, 21:10

Hi Joyce :-D

Augusta is about 10 miles south of Catania...

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby pink67 » 25 Aug 2010, 07:02

Regarding the Di Scala side, this is the military enlistment for the first world war for Pasquale, Maria's husband:

from Ancestry.com:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Pasquale Discala
Name: Pasquale Discala
City: Brooklyn
County: Kings
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 22 Mar 1887
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1754222
DraftBoard: 27

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVtva_A

Pasquale was living on 498 Henry street - Brooklyn, was a sailor and stated that he was born in the island of Ischia (Napoli province - Campania region)

for references, in the case you don't have, here is the 1920 census for Pasquale and his family:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Pasquale Discala
Name: Pasquale Discala
[Pasquall Discala]
Home in 1920: Brooklyn Assembly District 3, Kings, New York
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's name: Maria
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1914
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pasquale Discala 32 head, born in IT, immigr. year 1914, alien
Maria Discala 29 wife, born in IT, immigr. year 1914, alien
Dante G Discala 3 [3 9/12] son, born in NY
John Discala 0 [4/12] son, born in NY

address: 498 Henry street. :!:

image:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxSUN7i

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby pink67 » 25 Aug 2010, 07:15

again, from Ancestry.com:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Pasquale Piscalle
Name: Pasquale Piscalle
Home in 1930: Brooklyn, Kings, New York
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Age: 43
Estimated birth year: abt 1887
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pasquale Piscalle 43 head, born in IT, Naturalized, occupation longshoreman
Mary Piscalle 39 wife, born in IT, naturalized
Damte Piscalle 14 son, bron in NY
Jennie Piscalle 10 daughter, born in NY
Rose Piscalle 8 daughter, born in IT
Mary Piscalle 7 daughter, born in NY
Frances Piscalle 3 6/12 daughter, born in NY

address: 252 President street - Brooklyn

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http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=gxSVv0S

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby vj » 25 Aug 2010, 13:31

Laura's find :D
Pasquale's naturalization records on footnote
He includes daughter Rosa with his other children as being born in US on his petition

1924 Declaration
http://a.imageshack.us/img844/1329/decl ... ntion1.jpg

Publication Number: M1879
Publication Title: Petitions for Naturalization of the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York, 1865-1937
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
National Archives Catalog ID: 576072
National Archives Catalog Title: Petitions for Naturalization, compiled 1865 - 1991
Record Group: 21
State: New York
Court: Eastern District
Birth Country: Italy
Document Date Year: 1924
Surname: Di Scala
Given Name: Pasquale
Document Type: Declaration of Intention

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1927 Petition
http://a.imageshack.us/img153/2440/peti ... lizati.jpg

Publication Number: M1879
Publication Title: Petitions for Naturalization of the US District Court for the Eastern District of New York, 1865-1937
Content Source: NARA
Partner: NARA
National Archives Catalog ID: 576072
National Archives Catalog Title: Petitions for Naturalization, compiled 1865 - 1991
Record Group: 21
State: New York
Court: Eastern District
Birth Country: Italy
Document Date Year: 1927
Surname: Di Scala
Given Name: Pasquale
Document Type: Petition for Naturalization

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby pink67 » 25 Aug 2010, 20:03

Thank you Valarie :D

At least these documents are helpful to determine Maria Mangano's place of birth... looks like it was Augusta (DOB 21 july 1891)... and considering that Maria stated on her 1922 arrival manifest that her last residence in Italy was Augusta, it's strongly possible that her daughter Rosina was born there too (on 31 november 1921)...

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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby joycerose » 01 Sep 2010, 03:02

What a Wonderful Wealth of information! I Thank you all so very much for all of this information!
I will let you know how the search for the Birth Certificates and Marriage Cert. goes, I may even visit Italy one day! I hope !
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Re: Birth Certificate

Postby joycerose » 01 Sep 2010, 03:40

My Grandmother Maria Mangano, date of birth is July 18, 1891 My grandfather Pasquale Di Scala, date of birth is March 24, 1887. They were Married on July 20, 1912. That information we know to be true and correct.
I did send away for the Petition and Naturalization Papers for both Maria and Pasquale I have recieved them.

I see that Ancestry.com is a very good website, this may give me a reason to join.
Again I thank you from my heart, My cousins and I have worked very hard to find very little info and yet you have given us so much so quickly!
Joyce Rose


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