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Found new Briscione info

Postby misbris » 25 Aug 2010, 00:00

Hi guys,

Looking for your help on a new record I just found on Family search about my great uncle Pasquale Briscione. I was surprised because based on this manifest I thought he married in Italy.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018

If anyone can figure out who he was going to, I would appreciate it. to me it looks like wife's friend or wife of friend. :?

In fact, he married in NJ 3 years before this manifest.

Groom's Name: Pasquale Briscione
Groom's Birth Date: 1870
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age: 27
Bride's Name: Carmela Contore
Bride's Birth Date: 1869
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age: 28
Marriage Date: 06 Jan 1897
Marriage Place: Newark, Essex, New Jersey
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M02526-8
System Origin: New Jersey-EASy
Source Film Number: 589814
Reference Number: pg281, rn189
Collection: New Jersey Marriages, 1678-1985

I have a 1920 NY manifest for this family. I just found a possible 1890 citation at Castlegarden (no manifest)
http://castlegarden.org/quick_search_de ... id=8160761

However, I can't find the wife or any other census for the family. I believe her last name was actually CANTORE.

I'd appreciate any help or advice. :wink:

MJ

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Aug 2010, 00:05

Hi mj :-)

Looking really closely...after wife, that looks like just a flair ( or a "no" with a flair like the one above it), and under the darker writing is a name which looks like a first name that ends in "-ina" and last name resembles "Candolo/Condolo" - which could be Cantore, I guess.

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby pink67 » 25 Aug 2010, 09:17

Hi Misbris :D

this is a better copy of the arrival manifest from ancestry.com:
http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVtNooi

looks like he was joining his wife Carmina Candolo? on 48 Mulberrry street NY

PMaybe the correct last name was Cantore

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby pink67 » 25 Aug 2010, 09:49

However, I can't find the wife or any other census for the family
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this is the 1910 census:

1910 United States Federal Census
about Pasquale Brisona
Name: Pasquale Brisona
Age in 1910: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1870
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Spouse's name: Carmela
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 14, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1890
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pasquale Brisona 40
Carmela Brisona 30
John Brisona 6
Filomena Brisona 5
Annie Brisona 3

address: 234 Mott Street...

http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVtRvO9

Looks like Carmela Cantore was born on 1880 :?:

from:
http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm

New York City births:

Briscione Anna Sep 30 1906 Certificate number: 47694 Manhattan B625

and maybe Filomena?

Briscione Florenc Mar 18 1905 Certificate number: 14336 Manhattan

Laura

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby vj » 25 Aug 2010, 13:44

misbris wrote:... I just found a possible 1890 citation at Castlegarden (no manifest)
http://castlegarden.org/quick_search_de ... id=8160761
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1890 manifest from ancestry
line 110
http://a.imageshack.us/img837/3269/1890.jpg

Name: Pasquale Brisaone
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1890
Birth Year: abt 1870 Age: 20 Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy and Palermo, Italy
Destination: Flodelpa Port of Arrival: New York Port Arrival State: New York Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Entella

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby suanj » 25 Aug 2010, 13:56

Hi,
the ship's manifest of 1890:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Pasquale Brisaone
Name: Pasquale Brisaone
Arrival Date: 19 Jul 1890
Birth Year: abt 1870
Age: 20
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian

Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy and Palermo, Italy
Destination: Flodelpa
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Entella
Search Ship Database: Search the Entella in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby misbris » 27 Aug 2010, 01:07

Sorry I was away for for 2 days. :oops:

Thank you all for the help. I had never seen the 1910 census or the 1890 manifest before, so a special thanks to Laura, vj, and suanj. and thanks Tessa for the good eyesight. :wink:

Here is the problem.I can't find Carmela Cantore. (I am almost possitive that is the correct name because Pasquale's aunt married a Cantore) I think this may be a younger sister of Antonio Cantore or a daughter. if so Pasquale married a first cousin. I can't find a reasonable manifest for Carmela. Either the age is wrong or she is not here in 1897 when the marriage took place. This is the only possible record I found.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0025

and she is listed as single and going to an Uncle in NY.

As far as I know Pasquale never lived in NJ, but other family members did. Is is possible that this is a proxy marriage or am I barking up the wrong tree? This is important because I am in touch with other Cantore family members and this would be another bond.



Any thoughts or any other possible records for Carmela?

MJ :lol:

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby misbris » 27 Aug 2010, 01:12

Also,

There were 4 children, John, Filomena (Florence) Anna and Salvatore. Pasquale's parets were Giovanbattista and Filomena. I haven't found John or Salvatore's birth records. Pasquale was a shoemaker in NY.

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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby suanj » 27 Aug 2010, 08:39

Misbris:
you are sure , absolutely, that the 1897 marriage in New Jersey is abt YOUR Pasquale?
by 1910 census, Carmela seeming born in 1880 abt; imm. in 1898.. I know that in the censuses it are the errors, but the age matching with 1920 census also, so I believe that really Carmela was born abt in 1880...
I say so, because in 1910 census they was married from 12 years and it matching with Carmina Cantore arrival....
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Re: Found new Briscione info

Postby misbris » 27 Aug 2010, 16:44

suanj,

The name is so rare it is unlikely that it could be anyone else. I never saw any NJ records on line before, but found this one on Family Search. I have the church records from Newark on permanent loan so I will try to crosscheck that. However, I can't be sure they married in that parrish or even married in church. There are no NY records except for the children.

Also the Cantore relationship makes so much sense. This is a puzzle! :?


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