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Montforte - Monteforte

Postby TIMK » 04 Oct 2010, 19:42

My grandmothers name was Anna Montforte (sp?). She was born in the US, but I cannot find any information other than the occasional census reference. She was of northern Italian extraction and I have been to a town named Montforte a little south of Turin which may have been her family's town.
She died in 1959 in Hoboken NJ and was about 65 yrs old. She was related to several political families in the area including Carmine DeSapio of Tammany Hall fame.
If anyone has any secrets to finding birth, marriage or death certificates I would appreciate hearing about them!

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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby vj » 04 Oct 2010, 20:39

TIMK wrote:... secrets to finding birth, marriage or death certificates I would appreciate hearing about them!


Italian vital records are kept at the comune (town) level where the event occured. Once you know the comune you can write to them for the record and/or check the FamilySearch website to see if the Family History Library has microfilmed records for your comune.
Finding her parent's manifest may be a good first step
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Note: if the family pages on ancestry are yours, Anna's 1907 manifest is listing her under her mother's maiden name, on this manifest the father's surname is Paolino - family headed to MA?

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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby vj » 04 Oct 2010, 20:53

Montforte/Monteforte/Montfore

For everyone's reference, your 1930 census
Anna married to Pasquale Magno

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6668/1930r.jpg
Home in 1930:
110 Monroe, rents $26
Hoboken, Hudson, New Jersey

head Pasqual Magno 40, abt 1890 IT
- married age 25, abt 1915
- immig 1910, Na (naturalized citizen)
- butcher, butcher store
wife Anna Magno 32, abt 1898 New Jersey
- married age 17
daughter Josephine Magno 13, abt 1917 NJ
daughter Helen Magno 11, abt 1919 NJ
daughter Anelia Magno 5, abt 1925 NJ
daughter Elisabeth Magno 4/12, abt 1929 NJ
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1920 census
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Home in January1920:
383 Pacific Avenue, rents
Jersey City Ward 6, Hudson, New Jersey

head Pasquale Mangno 32, abt 1888 IT
- immig 1907, Al
- proprietor, butcher store
wife Anna Mangno 22, abt 1898 NJ
daughter Josephine Mangno 2 11/12, abt 1917 NJ
daughter Helen Mangno 1 1/12, abt 1918 NJ
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Interesting record

A marriage registered in NY in March 1920
Different people?
Civil ceremony in 1920, church in 1917?

Name Marriage Date Certificate Number County

Magno Pasquale Mar 10 1920 11986 (1920) Manhattan
Montfore Anna Mar 10 1920 11986 (1920) Manhattan

from NYC records by the Italian Genealogical Group
http://www.italiangen.org/

Ordering NYC Vital Records
New York City Archives
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Do you have any record showing Anna's maiden name?
Thank you

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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby johnnyonthespot » 04 Oct 2010, 20:59

We will need a lot more information before we are able to come to any certain conclusions.

Are you positive Anna was born in the US? I found this 1900 census which may or may not be your Anna; she was born in Italy in 1895 and arrived in the US in 1898. What do you think? Do any of the names below seem familiar to you?

1900 United States Federal Census about Anna Monteforte
Name: Anna Monteforte
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 4
Birth Date: Aug 1895
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1898
Relationship to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Name: Gaetano Monteforte
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Name: Maria Monteforte
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Household Members: Name Age
Gaetano Monteforte 26
Maria Monteforte 26
Anna Monteforte 4
Louisa Monteforte 2
Louis Monteforte 4/12


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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby johnnyonthespot » 04 Oct 2010, 21:04

Here is the passenger manifest for the same family. They came from Comune di Pietradefusi, Provincia di Avellino, Regione di Campania, (Southern Italy)


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Gaetano Monteforte
Name: Gaetano Monteforte
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1898
Birth Year: abt 1873
Age: 25
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Spartan Prince

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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby TIMK » 04 Oct 2010, 21:38

Thanks so much for this!
I'm uncertain if any of this fits and I am checking with the one potential family member I know. But the family story was that Anna was northern Italian extraction. She had red hair, green eyes and freckles, which is more common to the north (not unknown in the south though). She was supposedly French & Italian which would also fit a northern ancestry. I will post again on this when I get a little more info.
Do you know how to get marriage records? I know they were married in Hoboken at St Annes and the first child was born in the teens. Finally, I do where they are buried if there are any hints to be found that way.

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Re: Montforte - Monteforte

Postby johnnyonthespot » 04 Oct 2010, 22:42

TIMK wrote:...Do you know how to get marriage records? I know they were married in Hoboken at St Annes and the first child was born in the teens.



See http://www.state.nj.us/health/vital/gen.shtml
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