1910 Census and Naturalization Question

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1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby MichaelOfMiami » 06 Oct 2010, 22:50

Hi all. I have recently begun my research and feel like I have found quite a lot of info for the short period of time Ive been at it. Right now i feel like Ive sort of hit a wall though.

I am trying to prove my link to my GGF, I have some good info on him but I cant figure out where in Italy he came from in order to pursue the birth cert. I figured the census would have that info but I could not locate the specific place where he is listed but Ancestry says he is in the 1910 census in MA. Also, there doesnt seem to be any naturalization papers either, although there are records of his WWI draft card in 1917-18. I dont know if this means he naturalized by being drafted or something like that, or if he even went to war at all, a deserter maybe?? I am planning on requesting an index search from USCIS to get a no record cert, but Im not even sure if that will prove anything or mean anything or if I even understand that part yet... :?

Im going to be dealing with the Miami consulate so I dont know if they are anything like NY; it sounds like NY is pretty serious about the naturalization proof. So, anyone have any suggestions for me pleaseee...

The info I have is this

-Rocco Mangipinto also have a SSN [Rosco Manchiplia 1910 census]
-Born Jan 9, 1892
-Arrived in Boston 1906
-Lived in a boarding house at 183 Shrewsbury St. Worcester, MA until 1916 working as a barber
-Married Arcangela Sciannamea in 1917 & Carmela Sciannamea 1920 :lol:
-Both marriages in Manhattan

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby maestra36 » 06 Oct 2010, 23:05

As to WWI draft registration, every male living within the United States between the ages of eighteen and forty-five was required to register for the draft. It had nothing to do with whether or not the male was a naturalized citizen. Even those with alien status had to register if they were residing here.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby maestra36 » 06 Oct 2010, 23:06

Also having a WWI draft registration card does not mean the individual was ever drafted or actually served in the military in the U.S.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby Biff83 » 06 Oct 2010, 23:08

WWI Draft Reg Card
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/6607 ... ntowwi.jpg

edited--see my post below for a more likely manifest
1909 ship manifest, line 20
Page 1
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8895/z ... to1909.jpg
Page 2
http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/344/zz ... o19092.jpg

Birthplace: Montrone?? Bari

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby maestra36 » 06 Oct 2010, 23:10

Did you look to see if your ancestor had a WWII draft registration card? Sometimes the town of birth in Italy appears on that card when it doesn't appear on the WWI draft registration card.

If he has a SS#, you can send for his application for his social security card and that should have a town of birth on it.

https://secure.ssa.gov/apps9/eFOIA-FEWe ... t/main.jsp

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby Biff83 » 06 Oct 2010, 23:15

Better 1907 Boston manifest for Rocco

Page 1
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/461/zz ... to1907.jpg

Page 2
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9378 ... o19072.jpg

Birthplace is likely the frazione of Adelfia Montrone in the comune of Adelfia, province of Bari.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby MichaelOfMiami » 07 Oct 2010, 01:08

Wow thank you so much for all of this! My father was almost in tears looking at these pics.

So, as far as his passing citizenship to my GF, the draft card says Naturalized Citizen. Does this mean that he definitley was? Has there been cases of these being wrong, maybe false answers to avoid immigration problems? Because I cant find any papers showing his naturalization. And he obviously put some other things that were not true on the card; like having a mother father and 2 children to support, this cannot be true accoording to my family. The passenger log even says his mother's dead.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby Biff83 » 07 Oct 2010, 01:31

MichaelOfMiami wrote: the draft card says Naturalized Citizen. Does this mean that he definitley was?


Not necessarily. He may have filed his declaration of intent but not filed his petition and oath of allegiance.

The passenger log even says his mother's dead.


If we've got the correct 1907 manifest, it shows his mother Maria is alive and living in Montrone and he is joining his father Giovanni in Worcester.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby MichaelOfMiami » 07 Oct 2010, 02:42

Oh ok I got it now. There is osmething scribbled on Rocco's line on the second sheet under the anarchist and health questions. Can you make that out at all?

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby Tessa78 » 07 Oct 2010, 02:53

MichaelOfMiami wrote: There is osmething scribbled on Rocco's line on the second sheet under the anarchist and health questions. Can you make that out at all?


Notation reads: 4 years in America, mother dead.

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Re: 1910 Census and Naturalization Question

Postby MichaelOfMiami » 14 Oct 2010, 16:28

Oh thanks! I was wondering now if there was any info to be had on Giovanni, Rocco's father?


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