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Le Harve, France

Postby ForzaItaliaPgh » 19 Oct 2010, 17:24

Ciao tutti,

On my GGF's Ellis Island passenger record, it lists his ship (La Savoie) as departing from "Le Harve, France". Was it typical for Italians (maybe just Northern Italians) to travel to France to come to America? The last place of residence is in Italy (although the city name seems corrupted as I mention on a different thread), so I don't think he moved to France for awhile, then moved to America. Any idea if this was a normal route? Grazie.

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby vj » 19 Oct 2010, 18:00

Interesting
If you use the ancestry. com search page for the New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 database

Enter only
Port of Departure: HAVRE
Place of Origin: ITALY
There are 97,165 results

The results for
Place of Origin: ITALY
(no specified port)
518,899

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby mandrogna » 08 Nov 2010, 16:22

ForzaItaliaPgh wrote:Ciao tutti,

On my GGF's Ellis Island passenger record, it lists his ship (La Savoie) as departing from "Le Harve, France". Was it typical for Italians (maybe just Northern Italians) to travel to France to come to America? The last place of residence is in Italy (although the city name seems corrupted as I mention on a different thread), so I don't think he moved to France for awhile, then moved to America. Any idea if this was a normal route? Grazie.


Hi:

Yes! Many Italian immmigrants departed from Genoa, also from Napoli, and from other European ports.

The reasons:

- Many immigrants found difficulties to reach the port of Genoa by rail.
For example, for an inhabitant of the province of Biella, in Piedmont, it was easier to take a train to Torino and quickly get to Le Havre, which go to the port of Genoa.
According to some statistics, in 1874 approximately 17,500 Italian immigrants departed from French ports (Havre, Nantes, Cherbourg).
A similar amount to those who departed from Genoa.

- Some shipping companies owned by French capital and usually operating illegally in Italy.

- Perhaps the ancestor tried his luck in France, by geographical proximity, and then decided to leave for the Americas.

You can read more about this in the book:

Storia dell'emigrazione italiana - Di Piero Bevilacqua, Andreina De Clementi, Emilio Franzina.
Pubblicato da Donzelli Editore, 2001
ISBN 8879896555, 9788879896559

digitized by Google Books http://books.google.com.ar/books?id=iJS4zYSJCHgC&pg=PR16&dq=Storia+dell'emigrazione+italiana+-&hl=es&ei=vyHYTKrMCYW0lQebq5iBCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAQ

Sorry for my english.

Regards,

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby ForzaItaliaPgh » 08 Nov 2010, 18:41

Thanks Daniela for the great information.
Researching BARONTINI family from Tuscany

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby mandrogna » 09 Nov 2010, 18:26

Hi:

Now, I remember a wonderful film called Il cammino della speranza (Path of Hope). A neorealist film of the 1950s by Pietro Gemmi.
This film chronicles the misery and poverty of a group of Sicilian miners in its tragic exodus to France. They crossed the Alps on foot!

Summary: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0042301/plotsummary
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qd2FPzi9-Q

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby pink67 » 09 Nov 2010, 18:43

I just want to point you also this site talking about immigrant people from Italy:

http://www.orda.it/rizzoli/stella/

http://www.odissee.it/

It's a pity that it doesn't exist the english version of the book of Gian Antonio Stella "L'orda - Quando gli albanesi eravamo noi"

Laura

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Re: Le Harve, France

Postby mandrogna » 09 Nov 2010, 18:52

ForzaItaliaPgh wrote:Ciao tutti,

On my GGF's Ellis Island passenger record, it lists his ship (La Savoie) as departing from "Le Harve, France".


Hi:

The ship La Savoie was built for French company "Compagnie Générale Transatlantique. See
http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/descr ... hipsL.html

The archives of the "Compagnie Générale Transatlantique" are put online by the association Frenchlines. This website can access passenger lists (1864-1936), pictures and more.

http://www.frenchlines.com/passenger_index_en.php


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