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Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby DAT1957 » 27 Oct 2010, 22:04

I have been looking for my grandfather's roots with little success. His name here in the U.S. was Giacomo Perocelli. He was born in Nibbia, Italy. I have not been able to find him on passenger lists on Ancestry.com or Ellis Island. He claimed to have been in the San Francisco earthquake in 1906, but census records I have been able to find show his arrival year as 1909 or 1908, so I'm not sure when he arrived. His name on those records was listed as Jim Pedroncelli, G. Petrelli, James Petrocelli.

I do have a 1965 document from Comune di San Pietro Mosezzo regarding his birth history that my grandmother requested for naturalization purposes. (However, I'm not able to find those records either.) Parts of it are difficult to read so I don't think it will scan to upload. Following is an excerpt in Italian (which I don't speak/read):

"Sul certificato che Vi sara trasmesso con ogni sollecitudine, non appena sara legalizzato, troverete che sui Registri di nascita dell'anno 1882 il Vs/ cognome non e statto iscritto come Perocelli ma PERUCELLI Giacomo, di Giovanni e della Antonia GUATTEO, nato a Nibbia il 20 gennaio 1882.

Dai documenti d'archivio risulta che Vs/ padre e nato pure a Nibbia il 17.12.1854 da Pietro Peruselli del fu Giovanni (di professione falegname, professione esercitata anche da Vs/ padre allorquando ha denunciato la Vs/ nascita) e da Beatrice De Angelis.

Gli atti di Stato Civile erano allora redatti dai Parroci e non dagli Uffici Comunali. In quei registri di nascita Vs/ padre doveva essere iscritto come Giovanni PERUCELLI mentre invece risulta in PIETRO GIOVANNI PERUSELLI e probabilmente veniva chiamato col secondo nome essendo il primo identico a quello di suo padre."

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!

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Re: Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby fordface951 » 27 Oct 2010, 23:32

If you go to Google translator and type in the Italian it will translate into
English for you.

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Re: Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby DebiHarbuck » 27 Oct 2010, 23:34

There's also a separate thread for translations, where folks are very helpful!
Roccanova/Magistra/Rubertone/Paduano of Craco, Matera, Basilicata AND Latorraca/Cassino/Petrocelli/Peluso of Saponara di Grumento (now Grumento Nova) & Moliterno, Potenza, Basilicata

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Re: Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby DAT1957 » 27 Oct 2010, 23:38

Thanks so much! I'll give it a shot...

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Re: Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby liviomoreno » 28 Oct 2010, 06:03

fordface951 wrote:If you go to Google translator and type in the Italian it will translate into
English for you.

On line translators are a mess!

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Re: Looking for my grandfather's roots

Postby DAT1957 » 28 Oct 2010, 20:43

Many thanks to Livio who provided the following translation:

"The certificate that we will promptly send to you,as soon it is legalized, will show you that on the birth registers for the year 1882, your last name is not written as Perocelli but PERUCELLI Giacomo, son of Giovanni and Antonia Guatteo, born in Nibbia, January 20, 1882.

From archival documents it shows that your father was born also in Nibbia December 17, 1854 to Pietro Peruselli, son of the late Giovanni (carpenter by profession, occupation practiced also by your father when he denounced your birth) and to Beatrice De Angelis .

At that time vital records were prepared by the Parishes and not by Municipal Offices. In those records the birth of your father should have been written as PERUCELLI Giovanni instead of Pietro Giovanni PERUSELLI and probably he was called by the middle name since the first is identical to that of his father.

In the first paragraph they say that they received the request including a Postal Money Order of 1$. The second paragraph is to ask for another dollar, because one is not sufficient to cover the expenses (1200 Lit, and 1$=620 Lit)..."


I'm very intrigued by the denunciation by his father...

Any suggestions as to how to proceed from here? My mom and her siblings are in their 80s and 90s, and have always wondered about Giacomo's lineage. They have asked me to do some research, and I'm doing the best I can to find answers for them.

I've also posted a link to 5 letters written by someone I assume to be a relative of Giacomo's on the translations thread.

Thanks to all!

Debbie


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