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Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby josephinemartinez » 31 Oct 2010, 11:49

My Grandfather's name is Vincenzo Noce. (We grew up spelling our last name Nocie). He sailed from the port of Palermo to NYC in 1907. In NY, he married my Grandmother Guisepina Garzia. My problems are: 1- My Grandfather was adopted and as my family says, his father was a priest. He lived in Pietrofienzia/Caltinasetta Sicily. I believe his adopted family's name was Romano. On the ship's registry, it says that he was going to visit his brother in law Filippo Falzone living at 19-21 Stanton Street NYC. It also said he left a sister in Sicily by the name of Teresa living at Via San Domenica. There is a Teresa Romano married to Fillipo Falzone going to 29-33 Stanton Street. Could this be a possible match? And, how can I find out what his mother's name was and his biological father's name was? Also, I have heard the name Benedetto or DiBenedetto in my family on my Grandfather's side. 2- My Grandmother was born in Caltinasetta, Sicily. She sailed from the port of Palermo to NYC in 1912. Her mother's name was Carmila Petrantoni (sp?). Her father was from Spain, as she spoke both Italian and Spanish. Where can I find out what his name was and exactly where in Spain was he from? This is not easy! Thank you.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 15:22

Hi Josephine,

He lived in Pietrofienzia/Caltinasetta Sicily


the correct place is Pietraperzia, today under the province of Enna but until 1926 belonging to the province of Caltanissetta.

From the naturalization papers for Vincenzo you can see his correct birth dates:

from Ancestry.com:

Selected U.S. Naturalization Records - Original Documents, 1790-1974 (World Archives Project)
about James Noce
Name: James Noce[Vincenzo Noce]
State: New York
Court Type: District Court
Court Location: Southern District, New York
Naturalization Record Type: Petition for Naturalization
Naturalization Record Number: 334588
Roll Description: (Roll 1051) Petition No. 281230 - Petition No. 281593
Archive: National Archives, Washington, D.C.
Collection Title: Petitions for Naturalization from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, 1897-1944
Archive Series: M1972
Archive Roll: 1211

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http://postimage.org/image/23aktk344/

Looks like he was born on 9 may 1872, I would advise you to contact your nearest Family History center:

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp

and ask them to rent the microfilm for the civil registrations (birth acts) for the year you need:

Title Registri dello stato civile di Pietraperzia (Caltanissetta), 1820-1910
Authors Pietraperzia (Caltanissetta). Ufficio dello stato civile (Main Author)

Nati 1868-1887
FHL INTL Film 1963873


You'll be able to check by yourself the microfilm and find the birth act for Vincenzo, read the circumstances of his birth.... Who presented the baby to the civil register, where the baby was found or if his mother gave her name or not...

Laura

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby josephinemartinez » 31 Oct 2010, 15:41

Thank you for the information regarding my Grandfather. I will go to a Family History Center nearby. As far as my Grandmother, Guieseppa Garzia, born 11/8/1894 and died 8/8/1978, I will do the same. She was born in Caltinasetta too. Would I use the same "Nati 1868-1887" and "FHL INTL FILM 1963873"?
Once again, thank you very much for leading me toward the right direction.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 15:56

You're very welcome Josephine :D
I have a "gift" for you... :lol:

Ancestry.com has the civil registrations for the town of Caltanissetta (I checked them for you) and this is Giuseppa Garzia birth act: :!:

http://postimage.org/image/1i6lfzllw/

Birth act number 1005

Giuseppa Garzia was born on 8 November 1894 at 4 a.m.
She was the daughter of Carmela Petrantoni, housewife, wife of Salvatore Garzia, age 50, farmer, both living in Caltanissetta.
The presentation of the baby to the register office of the town hall was made by the midwife Calogera Salerno age 34.

Laura

p.s. unfortunately the civil registrations of Pietraperzia are not on line on Ancestry.com... :?

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 16:29

Were you aware of Giuseppa's sister Grazia?

14 june 1911:

Garzia Grazia, age 27, married, from Caltanissetta to NYC to join her husband Romano Giuseppe on 23 Stanton Street NYC
Travelling with her children Romano Filippa, age 4, female and Romano Michele, age 1, male. Leaving in Italy her mother Petrantoni Carmela.

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006

page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 16:50

Again, form Ancestry.com the marriage act for Josephine's parents:

Marriage act 171 year 1879

between:

Garzia Salvatore (widower) age 35, farmer, born in caltanissetta, resident in Caltanissetta, son of the late Gaetano (resident in Caltanissetta when alive) and of Costa Rosaria (living) resident in Caltanissetta.

and

Petrantoni Carmela (single), age 20, dressmaker, born and resident in Caltanissetta, daughter of Salvatore (living) and Blandino Grazia (Living) both resident in Caltanissetta.

Marriage date: 15 november 1879

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Laura :D

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby josephinemartinez » 31 Oct 2010, 16:52

From the bottom of my heart, thank you so very much for Grandma's birth registration!!!! You are so kind and thoughtful. I was aware of Grandma's sister Grazia, they used to call her Gracie. We never met because I believe she died at an early age. She also had a brother by the name of Gaetano. He came to the US/NYC in the early 1900's and returned to Sicily shortly after. He then came back to US/NYC, to take his little sister, my Grandmother Guiseppa back home to Sicily. When he arrived to NYC, she had already married my Grandfather Vincenzo (James) Noce...so he was too late! There are some stories I remember. I am planning to visit Caltinasetta next year. I can't tell you how happy I am Laura, thank you so much! Sincerely, Josephine.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 17:12

:D Thank you Josephine!
And what a nice story about Josephine....

arrival manifest for Josephine:

11 may 1912:

Giuseppa Garzia, age 17, single, housewife, from Caltanissetta (leaving there her mother Carmela Petrantoni) joining her brother in law Romano Giuseppe (Grazia's husband) on 29-33 Stanton Street NYC

page 1:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002
page 2:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0002

Giuseppa and Vincenzo married just the day aftyer her arrival:

from :
http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm

Noce Vincenzo
May 13 1912 County: Manhattan Certificate number: 11954

bride:

Garzia Guiseppina
May 13 1912 County: Manhattan Certificate number: 11954

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby josephinemartinez » 31 Oct 2010, 17:34

I know, for some reason Grandma was in a hurry to get married! You are terrific!!! Thank you Laura.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 17:49

pink67 wrote:Again, from Ancestry.com the marriage act for Josephine's parents:

Marriage act 171 year 1879

between:

Garzia Salvatore (widower) age 35, farmer, born in caltanissetta, resident in Caltanissetta, son of the late Gaetano (resident in Caltanissetta when alive) and of Costa Rosaria (living) resident in Caltanissetta.

and

Petrantoni Carmela (single), age 20, dressmaker, born and resident in Caltanissetta, daughter of Salvatore (living) and Blandino Grazia (Living) both resident in Caltanissetta.

Marriage date: 15 november 1879

image:
http://postimage.org/image/23t89qzlw/

Laura :D


Josephine, I found also the file with all the documents for the marriage bann for Salvatore Garzia and Carmela Petrantoni, I'm sending you the images, from Ancestry.com:

Cover of the marriage bann:
http://postimage.org/image/1izb2vi90/

Marriage Bann:
http://postimage.org/image/1izhp0w84/

Garzia Salvatore birth certificate:

Salvatore was born on 25 august 1844 in Caltanissetta. Son of Gaetano, age 28, farmer and of Rosaria Costa, age 21. He was baptized on 26 august 1844 in the cathedral of Caltanissetta.
image:
http://postimage.org/image/1izzvxpno/

Petrantoni Carmela Birth certificate:

Carmela was born on 23 october 1859 in Caltanissetta. Daughter of Salvatore Petrantoni, age 24 and Grazia Blandino, age 19. Place of the birth Via San Giuseppe:
Carmela was baptized in the cathedral of Caltanissetta on 24 october 1859.
image:
http://postimage.org/image/1j28x9pus/

(the left side of the document is the back side of Salvatore's birth estract)

Lapera Damiana (Salvatore Garzia's first wife) 1879 death act:

Lapera Damiana, age 17, wife of Salvatore garzia, daughter of the late Vincenzo and of the late Biagia Giovannola?, died on 17 september 1879 in the house on Via Crocifisso
image:
http://postimage.org/image/1j41f8944/

Enjoy your family history!

Laura

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby josephinemartinez » 31 Oct 2010, 19:24

I am so happy with the information you have provided...it brought me to tears. I called my cousin in NY to tell him all about this site and how helpful you are. You are amazing. A thousand times thank you Laura. You are an angel.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby timo » 31 Oct 2010, 19:37

josephinemartinez wrote:My Grandfather's name is Vincenzo Noce. (We grew up spelling our last name Nocie). He sailed from the port of Palermo to NYC in 1907. In NY, he married my Grandmother Guisepina Garzia. My problems are: 1- My Grandfather was adopted and as my family says, his father was a priest. He lived in Pietrofienzia/Caltinasetta Sicily. I believe his adopted family's name was Romano. On the ship's registry, it says that he was going to visit his brother in law Filippo Falzone living at 19-21 Stanton Street NYC. It also said he left a sister in Sicily by the name of Teresa living at Via San Domenica. There is a Teresa Romano married to Fillipo Falzone going to 29-33 Stanton Street. Could this be a possible match? And, how can I find out what his mother's name was and his biological father's name was? Also, I have heard the name Benedetto or DiBenedetto in my family on my Grandfather's side. 2- My Grandmother was born in Caltinasetta, Sicily. She sailed from the port of Palermo to NYC in 1912. Her mother's name was Carmila Petrantoni (sp?). Her father was from Spain, as she spoke both Italian and Spanish. Where can I find out what his name was and exactly where in Spain was he from? This is not easy! Thank you.
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pink67 wrote:14 june 1911:

Garzia Grazia, age 27, married, from Caltanissetta to NYC to join her husband Romano Giuseppe on 23 Stanton Street NYC
Travelling with her children Romano Filippa, age 4, female and Romano Michele, age 1, male. Leaving in Italy her mother Petrantoni Carmela.



On the 1911 arrival documents of my GGF, Pietro Romano, it says he's going to his brothers Giuseppe and Vincenzo at 29-33 Stanton Street. He was from Pietraperzia, Piazza Armerina district, Caltanissetta province.
Pietro's father was Michele, mother Filippa.

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby timo » 31 Oct 2010, 19:58

pink67 wrote:... p.s. unfortunately the civil registrations of Pietraperzia are not on line on <a href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-3166187-10456885" TARGET="_blank">Ancestry.com</a>... :?


I've tried to contact ancestry.it about this issue, to ask if there is a simple website programming error (i.e. Pietraperzia not linked to Caltanissetta but to Enna) or if the records for Pietraperzia are actually not available. But the website would not let me submit the form &$*%&^!!! The form could not be submitted because there was an error message that kept telling me "indirizzo email" was required, and yet there was no place on the form to provide my email address.

Do you know which it is? Programming error or lack of data?

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Postby pink67 » 31 Oct 2010, 20:14

josephinemartinez wrote:I am so happy with the information you have provided...it brought me to tears. I called my cousin in NY to tell him all about this site and how helpful you are. You are amazing. A thousand times thank you Laura. You are an angel.


Thank you Josephine, I can understand your feeling because just a few days ago I found the same old documents for my ancestors and was a real emotion for me too...

[quote="Timo=]I've tried to contact ancestry.it about this issue, to ask if there is a simple website programming error (i.e. Pietraperzia not linked to Caltanissetta but to Enna) or if the records for Pietraperzia are actually not available. But the website would not let me submit the form &$*%&^!!! The form could not be submitted because there was an error message that kept telling me "indirizzo email" was required, and yet there was no place on the form to provide my email address.

Do you know which it is? Programming error or lack of data?[/quote]

I don't know... I know that not every Comune of Italy is online on their website.... possibly Pietraperzia civil registrations were not filmed...

Laura

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Re: Surnames Noce & Garzia Caltinasetta, Sicily

Postby timo » 31 Oct 2010, 21:19

pink67 wrote:I don't know... I know that not every Comune of Italy is online on their website.... possibly Pietraperzia civil registrations were not filmed...

Laura


Does ancestry.it use the films from the Church of LDS/FHL? If they are the same, it may be a simple programming error at ancestry.it (need to link Pietraperzia to Caltanissetta). I was just looking at some films for Pietraperzia.


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