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looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 16 Nov 2010, 16:48

I am new at this, so I apoligise if these posts are very basic. My grandfather, Armando Muzio, was born outside of Genoa (perhaps in "Borgo" or Ottone) around 1880. I am looking for his birth certificate or other information. I found an A. Muzio in the Ellis Island records, but could not tell where he came from. He married Celistina Croce from Ottone. He immigrated to the US around 1900 and lived in NYC. He did not naturalize. Thanks for any help you can offer. Cheryl M

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby Biff83 » 16 Nov 2010, 17:38

WWI Draft Reg Card

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Name: Armand Muzio
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birth Date: 20 Dec 1880

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

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1930 census

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Name: Harmardy Muzio
Home in 1930: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 50
Estimated birth year: abt 1880
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's name: Chelestino Muzio
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Harmardy Muzio 50, immigration 1900, naturalized
Chelestino Muzio 45, immigration 1900?, naturalized
Eugene Muzio 10
Resardo Muzio 4

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby Biff83 » 16 Nov 2010, 18:09

Marriage information

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Muzio Armand Feb 20 1916 4453 (License #) Manhattan

Bride
Croce Celestina Feb 20 1916 4453 Manhattan

Death Certificate Info
Muzio Armand 60 y May 25 1941 #11504 Manhattan
Muzio Celestina 60 y Sept 10 1947 #19562 Manhattan

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1920 census

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Name: Irman Muzio
Home in 1920: Manhattan Assembly District 14, New York, New York
Age: 37
Estimated birth year: abt 1883
Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's name: Chila Muzio
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1903
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Household Members: Name Age
Irman Muzio 37, immigration 1903, PA (first papers)
Chila Muzio 33

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 16 Nov 2010, 20:34

Hello Biff,
Thanks you so much for this information! These are my grandparents. Would you have a tip on how I might locate a birth certificate? Neither Armando nor Celestina ever naturalized. I found Celestina's alien registration card among family papers, but I have found nothing on armando. Again, thanks so much. Cheryl
Biff83 wrote:Marriage information

Groom
Muzio Armand Feb 20 1916 4453 (License #) Manhattan

Bride
Croce Celestina Feb 20 1916 4453 Manhattan

Death Certificate Info
Muzio Armand 60 y May 25 1941 #11504 Manhattan
Muzio Celestina 60 y Sept 10 1947 #19562 Manhattan

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 16 Nov 2010, 20:47

Hello again Biff.
I just realized that these references are all about my grandparents -- even though their names were spelled wrong! Again, grazie!

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby Biff83 » 16 Nov 2010, 20:47

First we need to determine in what town they were born and their year of birth. Once we have that info, you can write to Italy and request their birth records.

From his WWI Draft card, Armando's birthday is listed as 20 Dec 1880. Other information for Celestina indicates her birth year as about 1887. What we need are their ship manifests to determine their birth towns or places of last residence. I haven't thus far found any possibles for Armando but have found a couple of possibles for Celestina.

Can you let us know the details of the Ellis Island records you've located for both?

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 16 Nov 2010, 20:52

Yes, I will do this tonight. Unfortunately, I must go to work now! Putting his birthday as the 20th is funny, because family always says his birthday was the 10th of December, and Celestina's was the 8th. Again, thanks. Cheryl

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby Biff83 » 17 Nov 2010, 01:10

Could this possibly be Celestina and her family in the 1910 census. Note the address on 228 East 76th Street (in the area of Armando and Celestina's 1920 and 1930 censuses) and a listing for a Julia Musio on line 76 living at the same address.

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Name: Chella Crutche
Age in 1910: 22
Estimated birth year: abt 1888
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Mary Crutche
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 19, New York, New York
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Year of immigration: 1903
Household Members: Name Age
James Crutche 59
Mary Crutche 59
Josie Crutche 20
Chella Crutche 22

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby pink67 » 17 Nov 2010, 08:40

Really GREAT FINDS Biff!!!!!! :D

Using your finds I believe this could have been Celestina and her family 's arrival in NYC on 1906:

May 4, 1906:

Giacomo Croce, age 55, married , U.S. Citizen, last residence in Italy Ottone, in the U.S. before since 25? years, joining his sons and daughter in NY.
Travelling with his Wife Maria, age 55, first arrival in the U.S. and child Giuseppe, male, age 16, and Celestina, female age 15, their first arrival too...

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0009

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby Biff83 » 17 Nov 2010, 12:59

Hi, Laura! :D

Nice find on the manifest. I believe it's for the same folks as those listed on the 1910 census. We'll need to wait and see if Cheryl can verify the records.

I'm having a devil of a time locating Armando in the 1910 census and I've also come up empty on possible ship manifests to determine his last residence.

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 17 Nov 2010, 14:07

Thank you all so much for your help -- this is a great community! Celestina did come first at 15 or 16, then went back and came again. This is what I have found:
First Name: Celestina
Last Name: Croce
Ethnicity: Italian-Ital No.
Last Place of Residence: Nottiglia
Date of Arrival: Oct 08, 1903
Age at Arrival: 16y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Lombardia
Port of Departure: Genova
Manifest Line Number: 0005


Finally, it seems Celestina came again 1913 from Pellagliata, at the age of 26. I suspect this is correct, but let me know if you find otherwise. here's that data:
First Name: Celestina
Last Name: Croce
Ethnicity: North Italian
Last Place of Residence: Pellagliata, Italy
Date of Arrival: Sep 23, 1913
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Taormina
Port of Departure: Genoa
Manifest Line Number: 0003

Finding information on Armando is much more difficult. My father, Armando's son Riccardo (aka Richard) said he thought he first worked on the docks in Marselles before coming to US, so he thought he had boarded a ship there. His brother Eugene says he boarded in Genoa.
They are in agreement that he came first to NYC (Ellis Island) and then went to Denver Colorado for an undetermined period of time before returning to NYC.

Again, many thanks. Cheryl

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby cmuzio » 17 Nov 2010, 14:21

It seems Celestina may have come back and forth in 1910 as well:

. In terms of the immigration records on Celestina, it seems she came twice. The record as having her from Ottone is as follows:
First Name: Guiseppina
Last Name: Croce
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence: Ottone
Date of Arrival: Nov 11, 1910
Age at Arrival: 23 Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Berlin
Port of Departure: Genoa
Manifest Line Number: 0021

You will notice that her first name here is Guiseppina, but in the original manifest (which you can see at ellisisland.org) has her listed as Guiseppina-Celestina.

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Re: looking for info on Armando Muzio

Postby pink67 » 17 Nov 2010, 14:26

cmuzio wrote:Thank you all so much for your help -- this is a great community! Celestina did come first at 15 or 16, then went back and came again. This is what I have found:
First Name: Celestina
Last Name: Croce
Ethnicity: Italian-Ital No.
Last Place of Residence: Nottiglia
Date of Arrival: Oct 08, 1903
Age at Arrival: 16y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Lombardia
Port of Departure: Genova
Manifest Line Number: 0005


I don't believe this arrival manifest is correct for "your" Celestina because looks like she was listed as "daughter" and travelling with her mother Croce Giuseppina ...joining Giuseppina's cousin Ferdinando Croce :

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0005

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