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Looking for great great Grandparent from genoa or genova?

Postby matbre2 » 17 Nov 2010, 12:52

Whilst tracing my English and predominately Irish background I have found this link in Irish genealogy:

http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/ ... a581381360

The family have always said that we had Italian Blood somewhere and that My great great grandparent Joseph Bailo was a merchant seaman in the Italian navy.
The link above states that his Ship was called "Vindex" and on his marriage in Dublin in 1876 his father was called Salvator Bailo.

Not being able to speak Italian let alone read it, where would I go next to trace my 3 times Grandparent etc?

I know that they came from Genoa or is it Genova in the North West of Italy and that Joseph was born around 1850 and that his father probably 1830 ish.

Are there any church records online? If so, are they subscription sites?
Or can I use the UK websites that I am currently subscribed to?

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Postby jamiecapaldi » 17 Nov 2010, 13:19

Did Joseph and Mary have a Child called Giorgina? If so, MARY ANNE GILLIN was living with them in 1911.

I would sign up with Damily Search and get this record =883830:
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View the film at your local family history centre and search for Salvatore's birth.

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Re: Looking for great great Grandparent from genoa or genova

Postby ForzaItaliaPgh » 17 Nov 2010, 14:42

FYI,

"Genoa" and "Genova" are the same city. "Genova" is the Italian spelling, "Genoa" the English spelling. "Genoa" is also the spelling in the local dialect.

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Re: Looking for great great Grandparent from genoa or genova

Postby liviomoreno » 17 Nov 2010, 17:30

In the local dialect it is "Zena"
"Genoa" is the name of one of the football (soccer) team of Genova.

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Postby ForzaItaliaPgh » 17 Nov 2010, 19:07

liviomoreno wrote:In the local dialect it is "Zena"
"Genoa" is the name of one of the football (soccer) team of Genova.


Livio,

Interesting, I had heard (incorrectly) otherwise :oops:

Thanks for the correction, though! :) You learn something everyday!!

Any idea on how "Zena" became "Genova" in standard Italian?

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Postby matbre2 » 18 Nov 2010, 04:31

jamiecapaldi wrote:Did Joseph and Mary have a Child called Giorgina? If so, MARY ANNE GILLIN was living with them in 1911.

I would sign up with Damily Search and get this record =883830:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... plaincy.++

View the film at your local family history centre and search for Salvatore's birth.

J Capaldi


Short answer YES! Georgina Bailo married a David Power and yes Mary Anne Bailo nee Gillen was 59 in 1911 and was a widow living with them in Clondalkin DublinIreland. At the time they had 2 children but were eventually to have 3 more daughters of which one was my Grandmother.

I have all those details as I am subscibed to a couple of UK websites.
However I am more concerned with going back to Joseph and his dad salvator and finding out how I can trace them and their roots.

As for trying to view at my local family history centre, it is a bit hard as I live in South Australia........not Ireland, England or Italy.

Thank you for trying to help though. :)

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Re: Looking for great great Grandparent from genoa or genova

Postby matbre2 » 18 Nov 2010, 04:42

Thanks guys for the history of the place Genova or should I say Zena, and I reckon that I got mixed up with the soccer team Genoa as I am a mad passionate football supporter........cheers!

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Postby liviomoreno » 18 Nov 2010, 06:04

ForzaItaliaPgh wrote:Any idea on how "Zena" became "Genova" in standard Italian?


It is the other way round:
How "Genova" (which is the official name) became "Zena" in dialect...

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Postby ForzaItaliaPgh » 18 Nov 2010, 16:53

liviomoreno wrote:
ForzaItaliaPgh wrote:Any idea on how "Zena" became "Genova" in standard Italian?


It is the other way round:
How "Genova" (which is the official name) became "Zena" in dialect...


Interesting. Grazie.

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Postby matbre2 » 20 Nov 2010, 02:33

jamiecapaldi wrote:Did Joseph and Mary have a Child called Giorgina? If so, MARY ANNE GILLIN was living with them in 1911.

I would sign up with Damily Search and get this record =883830:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... plaincy.++

View the film at your local family history centre and search for Salvatore's birth.

J Capaldi


Apparently the said Joseph Bailo although married in Dublin in 1876 was still working on the ship "Vindex" and sailed into many ports around the world. I had a look at your link and found also that he had a child born and died in 1876 which he named Salvator, which he obviously named after his father.

My own father has just told that he has a log book entry for Joseph Bailo on the Ship "Vindex" and will post to me in due course. So it would appear that Joseph Bailo was an Italian Merchant Seaman who sailed the world whilst his wife raised their family of which one was named Georgina Bailo who later married my Great Grandfather David Power in Clondalkin Dublin Ireland hence my links with Italian ancestry as well as Irish.

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Re: Looking for great great Grandparent from genoa or genova?

Postby CarolHickey » 12 Sep 2015, 17:59

I don't know if you are still interested but I am the daughter of James Power who was the son of David Power. I don't know much about the history of my family but returned from Genoa yesterday.


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