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Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby djm1228 » 20 Nov 2010, 01:37

My grandparents, Serophino Manfredonia and Josephine Voleri, were married in Italy in 1880. They moved to Marseille, Frances before migrating to the US in June 1891. Since I don't know their exact birthdates or where they were born in Italy, I thought the birth records of the three children they had there might. Is it possible to get birth records for their children from France?

Would anyone know if migration records between Italy and France exist from that time period?

Can anyone shed some light on these two topics for me? :? :? :?

Thanks, Diane

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby suanj » 20 Nov 2010, 05:53

Hi, I know not if this is the right family, but by 1900 census:
1900 United States Federal Census
about Josephine Manfredonia
Name: Josephine Manfredonia
Home in 1900: Manhattan, New York, New York
Age: 40
Birth Date: Apr 1860
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1880
Relationship to Head of House: Wife
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Mother: number of living children: 6
Mother: How many children: 6
Spouse's name: Serafina Manfredoria
Marriage Year: 1880
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 20
Occupation: View on Image

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Serafina Manfredoria may 1856 IT
44 old
Josephine Manfredonia apr 1860 IT
40 old
Eugene Manfredonia nov 1880 NY ?
19 old
Beligrenia Manfredonia jun 1883 NY ?
17 old
Clothilda Manfredonia nov 1889 NY?
10 old
John Manfredonia oct 1891 NY?
8 old
Edward* Manfredonia Jan 1894 NY
6 old
George Manfredonia dec 1897 NY
2 old


really the first children was born in Italy; and by :
U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Eugene Manfredonia Name: Eugene Manfredonia
Birth Date: 27 May 1881
Birth Place: Atripolda, Italy Residence: Kings, New York
Race: White

the birth town is Atripalda, Avellino province. I am sure abt that because Eugene made some trip and he result naturalized by father..
U.S. Naturalization Record Indexes, 1791-1992 (Indexed in World Archives Project)
about Serafino Manfredonio
Name: Serafino Manfredonio
Birth Date: abt 1861
Birth Place: Italy
Age at event: 36
Court District: New York
Year of Arrival: 1890
Date of Action: 16 Jan 1897


on the 1900 census the immigration year is wrong as a well the birthplace of some children...
however if is the right family, the birthplace must be Atripalda, almost for Eugenio( Eugene)..
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*Edward Manfredonia birth:

Name Edwardo Manfredonia
Gender Male
Baptism/Christening Date
Baptism/Christening Place
Birth Date 09 Oct 1895
Birthplace Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
Death Date
Name Note
Race
Father's Name Serafino Manfredonia
Father's Birthplace
Father's Age
Mother's Name Ginseppa Valeria
Mother's Birthplace
Mother's Age
Indexing Project (Batch) Number C01058-6
System Origin New_York-ODM
Source Film Number 1322323
Reference Number
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Eugene Manfredonia marriage:
Groom's Name Eugenio Manfredonia
Groom's Birth Date
Groom's Birthplace
Groom's Age
Bride's Name Teresa Saladino
Bride's Birth Date
Bride's Birthplace
Bride's Age
Marriage Date 10 Apr 1904
Marriage Place Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name Serafino
Groom's Mother's Name Giuseppa Valerio

Bride's Father's Name Carmine
Bride's Mother's Name Rosalia Modeca
Groom's Race
Groom's Marital Status
Groom's Previous Wife's Name
Bride's Race
Bride's Marital Status
Bride's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M00650-0
System Origin New_York-ODM
Source Film Number 1556704
Reference Number
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more:
Clotilde Manfredonia marriage:
Groom's Name Onofrio Spota
Groom's Birth Date
Groom's Birthplace
Groom's Age
Bride's Name Clotilda Manfredonio
Bride's Birth Date
Bride's Birthplace
Bride's Age
Marriage Date 19 Jan 1908
Marriage Place Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name Gerando
Groom's Mother's Name Carmela Cascere
Bride's Father's Name Serafino
Bride's Mother's Name Guiseppa Valerio

Groom's Race
Groom's Marital Status
Groom's Previous Wife's Name
Bride's Race
Bride's Marital Status
Bride's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M00177-1
System Origin New_York-ODM
Source Film Number 1452359
Reference Number
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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby djm1228 » 21 Nov 2010, 01:42

Thanks! That is them. I was aware of most of that info except the town of Atripolda. I will find out how to write to that place to see if I can get records.

I appreciate your time.
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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby suanj » 21 Nov 2010, 06:04

by Mormons microfilms you can try in the civil records of Atripalda:

Registri dello stato civile di Atripalda (Avellino), 1809-1899 Atripalda (Avellino). Ufficio dello stato civile

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... umns=*,0,0

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 01 Dec 2010, 02:09

Hi Diane,

I have done quite a bit of research on the town of Atripalda since that is where my ancestors are from.....I know I have seen Manfredonias on some of the civil records....I only remember the name because we had a Principal Manfredonia growing up and it stood out!

I may still have some of the birth record microfilms at my local history center. Do you want me to see if I can find any of the birth records? If you e-mail me (JoeViking@aol.com) a list of names/dates I will see what I still have/can find.

Good Luck!

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 01 Dec 2010, 02:22

It looks like Eugene was definitely born in Atripalda (May 27, 1881)....if this is him:

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Vi ... id=1305430

This birth date is different than the date listed above (Nov. 1880).....was his wife Tessie? I am guessing Yes.....Teresa Saldino.

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 01 Dec 2010, 02:25

Sorry....don't think the link worked....here you go:
Surnames: Venezia (Atripalda), Ciotti (Roccagorga), Di Giacomo (Polla), Tassi (Ceccano)

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby djm1228 » 04 Dec 2010, 01:45

Hi Joe, Thanks so much for your offer and reply to help me. Here's what I know.

Serofino Manfredonia (b 5/1856 in Italy d abt 1911 in NYC) married Giuseppe (eventually Josephine) Valerio(a) (b 4/1860 in Italy, d abt 1937 in NJ) in 1880. I'm assuming this was in Atripolda since that was where their first son Serafino (eventually Eugene) was born on May 27,1881. They then moved to Marseille France by May of 1884 when my Grandfather was born in. There was a sister born there also (Clohilda b 11/1889). They had their final three children in NYC starting in Nov 1892 (John, Edward and George).

I would like to know anything about Serofino and Giuseppe. I'm not even sure of the spelling of her last name since there is about 4 different spellings on various records. My father believes (he's 90) now that they must have migrated to France with other family members because his uncle Eugene often spoke of family from there. In fact, he may have even visited there with his son, Eugene a few times.

The records you show are for the family. Anthing else you can help me with is greatly appreciated. I'll also email this message to your email you gave me. Thanks, Diane

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 04 Dec 2010, 02:49

Hi Diane,

I was at the Family History Center last night and only have the microfilms of birth records until 1849. But, this looks like Serafino's death record/certificate # from NYC:

Manfredonia Serafino 49 y Nov 18 1910 Certificate # 22671 Kings

You can order a copy of this online from the NYC Vital Records Dept:

http://www.nyc.gov/dorforms/deathcert.jsp

This costs roughly $15/$20 and should show his age, maybe birth town (which we think is Atripalda anyway), parents, cause of death, etc.

Will let you know what else I find....hope this helps!

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby djm1228 » 04 Dec 2010, 03:03

Hi - Thanks so much for the added information.

Just to help a newbie here....If I went to a local Family Center, they wouldn't have any info after 1849? I suppose if I went to view those, I could just search through the records for 'Manfredonia' and maybe I'd find other family members.

Thanks, Diane

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 04 Dec 2010, 12:51

Oh...they definitely would....I only have out on loan the birth records until 1849.....and they go back to 1809 so you might be able to find a couple of generations before Serafino/Giuseppa. Here is the film number which should have their particular birth registries:

Nati 1850-1865 Pubblicazioni 1810-1832 - FHL INTL Film [ 1448130 ]

And here is the list of Family History Centers:

https://library.beta.familysearch.org/

Shoot me an e-mail if you have any more questions. I also sent a message to someone who has access to the Atripalda records to see if he could find anything on Serafino/Giuseppa....will let you know!

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby JoeVenezia » 05 Dec 2010, 04:44

WOW!!!! Thanks to Anthony Vermandois and his Campania, Italy website....fairly complete Manfredonia and Valerio lineage from Atripalda:

http://www.imaginesmaiorum.net/surnames ... n.cfm?id=8

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Re: Migration from Marseille France to US Question

Postby djm1228 » 05 Dec 2010, 13:20

HOLY SMOKES!!!! I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH. I'LL CONTACT THAT MAN TO THANK HIM TOO. THANKS,DIANE
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