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Postby danielle1118 » 27 Nov 2010, 22:34

I am researching my ggf Anthony Joseph Narducci b. June 9 1892 in Buffalo, NY. I have been unable to find his birth certificate and have even searched baptism records. I believe I found his parents marriage certificate which states they were Joseph Narducci and Pepina(Josephine) Giallella. I can't find naturalization records either. any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: narducci

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Nov 2010, 01:05

Hello and welcome! :-)

Can you provide approx. dates of birth for Joseph and Pepina? Were they born in US or Italy?

Did Anthony have any other siblings? Names?

Any additional facts will help us help you!

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Nov 2010, 01:12

I have sent you a PM :-)

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Re: narducci

Postby danielle1118 » 28 Nov 2010, 14:40

Anthony had 2 siblings Victoria b 1888 (Buffalo) and Gus b. 1894 (Dunkirk NY)
According to their marriage certificate Joseph was born 1858 and Pepina 1870 in Italy. Joseph's parents are listed as Joseph Narducci and Anna Marie Bertone(i) and Pepina's parents were listed as Joseph Giallella and Anna Marie Ricigliano.

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Re: narducci

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Nov 2010, 15:55

I have located a 1900 US Census for Dunkirk, NY (near Buffalo)

It is for the St. Mary's Orphan Asylum, in Dunkirk(town)

Listed is Tony Narduci, born June 1892 in New York, parents born in Italy.
Also listed below Tony is Costantino Narduci, born May 1894. Maybe this is "Gus".

Is this Tony your GGF?

If it is, did you contact this orphanage?

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Re: narducci

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Nov 2010, 16:04

Possible 1910 Census record for Victoria Narducci (spelled here with a "y")

Victoria is age 20, living in Dunkirk, NY, as a domestic with a private family (Nelson Palmer on Washington Avenue)

http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/4199 ... ci1910.jpg

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Re: narducci

Postby danielle1118 » 28 Nov 2010, 16:25

thanks,
I have tried to locate the orphanage records to no avail. I have tried the Buffalo Diocese, Sisters of St Joseph and St Elizabeth Ann Seton. I haven't had any success.

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Nov 2010, 16:36

You may already be aware of this site, but I thought I would post it for you.

http://buffalo-orphanage-studies.com/OrphinBuf.html

Maybe there is something there that can give you additional direction...

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Postby suanj » 28 Nov 2010, 17:29

danielle1118 wrote:Anthony had 2 siblings Victoria b 1888 (Buffalo) and Gus b. 1894 (Dunkirk NY)
According to their marriage certificate Joseph was born 1858 and Pepina 1870 in Italy. Joseph's parents are listed as Joseph Narducci and Anna Marie Bertone(i) and Pepina's parents were listed as Joseph Giallella and Anna Marie Ricigliano.

I found this record:

Groom's Name Joseph Narducio
Groom's Birth Date
Groom's Birthplace
Groom's Age
Bride's Name Pepinam Giacillo
Bride's Birth Date
Bride's Birthplace
Bride's Age
Marriage Date 25 Apr 1887
Marriage Place Saint Joseph Catholic Church, Buffalo, Erie, New York
Groom's Father's Name Joannis Narducio
Groom's Mother's Name Annae Mariae Butoni
Bride's Father's Name Joseph Giacillo
Bride's Mother's Name Annae Mariae Eregliano
Groom's Race
Groom's Marital Status
Groom's Previous Wife's Name
Bride's Race
Bride's Marital Status
Bride's Previous Husband's Name
Indexing Project (Batch) Number M53738-1
System Origin New York-VR
Source Film Number 928693
Reference Number 2:1V2MH7N
It is the same record that you have..?
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Re: narducci

Postby danielle1118 » 28 Nov 2010, 21:53

Thank You,
This is the point I am stuck. It doesn't give their birthplace, and I can't find immigration or naturalization to get me further back than this point. Based on some other information I have collected, I believe Pepina's mother's maiden name is Ricigliano. Is there another avenue, besides immigration and naturalization records, or Anthony's birth record(which I also can't find) that I should look at? I don't have enough information at this point to begin searching Italian records

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Re: narducci

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Nov 2010, 00:58

You could request a copy of Anthony's Social Security application if he had a SS#. This application usually has the name of parents, and the applicant's birthplace...but you already know that much.
http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

Did you try searching for the birth record of Victoria? Was she also born in New York? Have you asked for a search for birth record at this site...
http://www.health.state.ny.us/vital_rec ... ealogy.htm


Early ship manifests have little information about place of origin other than country, and don't often have a person/address listed as a destination. So finding a manifest for Joseph (Giuseppe) Narducci probably wouldn't help. :-(

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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2010, 09:40

I believe that Joseph ( Giuseppe) Narducci coming from Sant'Angelo in Grotte, hamlet of Santa Maria del Molise town, in Campobasso province, Molise region IT; the only probable immigration record is:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about G Narducci Name: G Narducci
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1882
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Elysia
Search Ship Database: Search the Elysia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

the birth year is 1855, however can be a probable record...
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Postby suanj » 29 Nov 2010, 10:20

I found the 1892 census abt the family:
Joseph Narducci head age 34
Josephine wife age 22
Victoria daughter age 4
living also:
Pasquale Giallella age 34
Donato " age 37
Filomena " age 34
Joseph " age 14
Antonia " age 1
Theresa " age 31

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http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/6076 ... rducci.jpg

Pasquale Giallella arrival:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Pasquale Giallella Name: Pasquale Giallella
Arrival Date: 15 Apr 1882
Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Palermo, Italy and Gibraltar
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Washington

Pasquale Giallella in 1905 census:

Name Pasquale Giallella
Residence Buffalo, Erie, New York
Age 46
Estimated Birth Year 1859
Birthplace Italy
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Race W
Gender
Family Number 1466
Page Number
Line Number 12
Film Number 825699
Digital Folder Number 4296254
Image Number 00619
Household Gender Age
Pasquale Giallella M 46y
Filosmane Giallella F 46y ( filomena Giallella nee Di Giacomo)
Child Tony Giallella M 14y
Child Katie Giallella F 12y
Child Tressa Giallella F 10y
Child Rosa Giallella F 7y
Donato Giallella M 50y brother
Tressa Giallella F 50y
Child Joseph Giallella M 26y
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Re: narducci

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Nov 2010, 14:58

Super finds suanj!!!

Knew you would find that "needle in a haystack"!
Especially those misspelled names... the 1892 Census has them listed as "Mardicia" 8O

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Postby Tessa78 » 29 Nov 2010, 15:13

suanj wrote:I believe that Joseph ( Giuseppe) Narducci coming from Sant'Angelo in Grotte, hamlet of Santa Maria del Molise town, in Campobasso province, Molise region IT; the only probable immigration record is:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about G Narducci Name: G Narducci
Arrival Date: 17 Apr 1882
Birth Year: abt 1855
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Elysia
Search Ship Database: Search the Elysia in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

the birth year is 1855, however can be a probable record...
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Image for the above referenced manifest by suanj :-)

About 15 lines down...
http://img262.imageshack.us/img262/4784 ... ci1882.jpg

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