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To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

Postby sforza » 16 Dec 2010, 21:50

This is part of a post I put on the emmigration/immigration forum, but wanted to repeat it here. I am seeking the marriage cert of my great grandparents that I still haven't been able to find after months of searching. I've searched the NYC archives and over 40 churches in Manhattan and Brooklyn. I am certain that they only ever lived in one of those two places. So, if one the uber-researchers on this board wants a challenge, here is their info:
Michael Sforza, b. 27 Feb 1880, NYC (Manhattan) to Giacomo Sforza and Maria Cristina Trivigno. Teresa Manganaro was born 3 June 1884, allegedly in Napoli (still awaiting response from the stato civile there for her birth record) to Fiorentina Tomaselli and Luigi Manganaro. Teresa immigrated in 1896 with her mother, her sisters and two aunts after the death of her father Luigi in Italy.
Michael and Teresa married on Jan 25, 1905, according to a letter written by one of their children. Their first child was born in May 1906 in Brooklyn. If someone actually finds a marriage record for Michael and Teresa, you win a bottle of some seriously amazing wine I brought back from Italy.

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Re: To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

Postby Michael31 » 18 Dec 2010, 06:14

United States Census, 1910 for Michael Sforza
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name: Michael Sforza
birthplace: New York
relationship to head of household: Self
residence: Brooklyn Ward 30, Kings, New York
marital status: Married
race : White
gender: Male
immigration year:
father's birthplace: Italy
mother's birthplace: Italy
family number: 303
page number: 15
Household Gender Age
Michael Sforza M 30y
spouse Theresa Sforza F 25y
child Maria Sforza F 2y
child Mathilda Sforza F y 2m
Rosa Tomaselli F 65y
Celia Ma?Ga*Rs F 23y
Ema Ma?Ga*Rs F 20y

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Re: To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

Postby Michael31 » 18 Dec 2010, 06:40

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Name: Daisy Manganaro
Titles:
Residence: New York City, Kings, New York
Birth Date: Jun 1884
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter
Spouse Name:
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place:
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name: Florance Tomasilli
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name: Florance Tomasilli
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Years Married:
Estimated Marriage Year:
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0107
Sheet Number and Letter: 8A
Household ID: 172
Reference Number: 18
GSU Film Number: 1241047
Image Number: 00793
Collection: United States Census, 1900

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Re: To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

Postby Michael31 » 18 Dec 2010, 06:48

48 th Street Brooklyn


Name: Giggia Manganaro
Titles:
Residence: New York City, Kings, New York
Birth Date: Jun 1882
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter
Spouse Name:
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place:
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name: Florance Tomasilli
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name: Florance Tomasilli
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Years Married:
Estimated Marriage Year:
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0107
Sheet Number and Letter: 8A
Household ID: 172
Reference Number: 17
GSU Film Number: 1241047
Image Number: 00793
Collection: United States Census, 1900

Name: Joseph Manganaro
Titles:
Residence: New York City, Kings, New York
Birth Date: Oct 1873
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Son
Spouse Name:
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place:
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name: Florance Tomasilli
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name: Florance Tomasilli
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Years Married:
Estimated Marriage Year:
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0107
Sheet Number and Letter: 8A
Household ID: 172
Reference Number: 16
GSU Film Number: 1241047
Image Number: 00793
Collection: United States Census, 1900

Name: Emma Manganaro
Titles:
Residence: New York City, Kings, New York
Birth Date: Jan 1889
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter
Spouse Name:
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place:
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name: Florance Tomasilli
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name: Florance Tomasilli
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Years Married:
Estimated Marriage Year:
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0107
Sheet Number and Letter: 8A
Household ID: 172
Reference Number: 20
GSU Film Number: 1241047
Image Number: 00793
Collection: United States Census, 1900

Name: Celia Manganaro
Titles:
Residence: New York City, Kings, New York
Birth Date: Feb 1886
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Daughter
Spouse Name:
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place:
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name: Florance Tomasilli
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name: Florance Tomasilli
Gender: Female
Marital Status: Single
Years Married:
Estimated Marriage Year:
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0107
Sheet Number and Letter: 8A
Household ID: 172
Reference Number: 19
GSU Film Number: 1241047
Image Number: 00793
Collection: United States Census, 1900

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Re: To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

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Re: To all you Uber Researchers-searching for Marriage Cert

Postby sforza » 18 Dec 2010, 14:32

Thanks, Michael. I have certified copies of the census docs that I plan to use to establish marital r'ship during my appointment with the Italian Consulate for dual citizenship. I guess I will have to call more churches - although this seems like diminishing returns since I've called everything w/in a reasonable distance of where they lived based on addresses pulled from census docs and family birth and death certs.
One thing I noticed at the NYC municipal archives when I was searching for a marriage cert for them: some churches did not report any marriages for year-long blocks of time; I imagine that there are thousands and potentially tens of thousands of marriages that went unreported. I found the church where their first child was baptized - abt a 1 1/2 yrs after they were allegedly married - but the church had no marriage cert for them.
Another confusing thing I noticed - the new family search site (either pilot or beta) has some certs that the NYC municipal archives doesn't. I guess I was hoping for a silver bullet - some online-source that I may have missed.


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