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Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby Biff83 » 11 Jan 2011, 15:51

Hello all!!

I could use some help. I'm trying to locate the town(s) where my wife's cousins' grandparents were from. I've located the 1910, 1920 and 1930 census records which follow for reference, and I've found that they married on 26 Dec 1901 in Manhattan. Francesco's mother's name was Carminella, surname unknown and she died in Manhattan in 1914.
If you check the 1930 census, it shows two cousins with the surname Secato (Segato?) living with them. I'm looking for a 1900 census, a WWI Draft Reg Card for Francesco (he passed away in 1934), and immigration records for Franesco and Vincenza. I did find a possible 1895 record for Francesco.
1895 immigration record for Francesco Pallotta and father? Donatantonio Pallotta:
http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0029

1910 census
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/5299/zzpal1910.jpg

1920 census
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6817/zzpal1920.jpg

1930 census
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1142/zzpal1930.jpg

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby vj » 11 Jan 2011, 17:15

Hey Biff :D !
Tough one
No luck, except not sure if you've seen this from FamilySearch Beta
May help confirm a manifest for one of them
Perhaps it was an arranged marriage (both from same comune)?
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New York Marriages, 1686-1980

Groom's Name: Fransco Paletta
Bride's Name: Vincenza Dandrea

Marriage Date: 26 Dec 1901
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York

Groom's Father's Name: Pietrangelo
Groom's Mother's Name: Carminilla Pietrarocia

Bride's Father's Name: Carmine
Bride's Mother's Name: Maria Marano

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby Biff83 » 11 Jan 2011, 17:37

Hi, Valarie! :D

Thanks. I hadn't seen that record from familysearch but it's definitely the same one as on IGG/SteveMorse. Two first daughters named after paternal and maternal grandmothers based on 1910 census.
Interesting that Francesco's father's name was Pietrangelo since eldest son's name on 1910 census is Tony but census shows five children born with four living (although only three are on the census). However, there is a 1907 Manhattan death record for an infant Pietro A. Pallotta born 1905-1906 which could be their first son.

I'm going to see what else I might be able to find based on the names you located on familysearch.

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby suanj » 11 Jan 2011, 17:40

Hi Biff, the ship manifest that you found( 1895) maybe is abt this family in 1900 census:
Name: Donato Pallotta
Titles:
Residence: Hartford city, Hartford, Connecticut
Birth Date: May 1856
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head-of-Household: Self
Spouse Name: Isabella Pallotta
Spouse Titles:
Spouse Birth Place: Italy
Father Name:
Father Titles:
Father Birthplace: Italy
Mother Name:
Mother Titles:
Mother Birthplace: Italy
Race or Color (expanded): White
Head-of-household Name:
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Years Married: 14
Estimated Marriage Year: 1886
Mother How Many Children:
Number Living Children:
Immigration Year: 1896
Enumeration District: 0147
Sheet Number and Letter: 6A
Household ID: 95
Reference Number: 24
GSU Film Number: 1240136
Image Number: 00511
Household Gender Age
Donato Pallotta M
Spouse Isabella Pallotta F
Child Rocco Pallotta M
Child Antonio Pallotta M
Child Biase Pallotta M
Child Maria Pallotta F
Child Lucy Pallotta F
Child Frank Pallotta M b. mar 1880
Biase Marino M
Katherine Lettieri F
Vincenzina Lettieri F
Joseph Unknown M
Rocco Lettieri M
John Lettieri M
Rocco Donato Jerardi M
Joseph Trelire M
Mauro Petagine M

just a suggestion...
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby suanj » 11 Jan 2011, 17:42

Pietraroia and Pallotta, as a well D'Andrea and Marano are surnames of south Italy; surel Pallotta Pietraroia and D'Andrea are present in Molise region also... It exist Marrano also in Molise... maybe the spouses coming from same region..
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby vj » 11 Jan 2011, 17:45

Best guess on Francesco's mother's name
Carmelina Petroccia, Maria Carmela/lina Petroccia

suanj wrote:Pietraroia and Pallotta, as a well D'Andrea and Marano are surnames of south Italy; surel Pallotta Pietraroia and D'Andrea are present in Molise region also... It exist Marrano also in Molise... maybe the spouses coming from same region..
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I like your surname analysis better!
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby suanj » 11 Jan 2011, 17:48

and maybe the cousin Frank "Secato" could be this person in 1900 census:
: Jun 1873
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1891
Relationship to head-of-house: Boarder
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Vincenzo Munotte 27
Angelo Munotte 26
Pasqulina Munotte 1
Vincinzino Munotte 4
Piforino Digilu 25
John Cicato 31
Francisco Cicato 27
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby vj » 11 Jan 2011, 18:10

Pallotta

Nothing to confirm these record
Francesco's father?
Could be 40 or 46 yrs old
Last residence Guardiaregia, Campobasso, Molise

interesting 1890 manifest
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3899/1890d.jpg
Name: Pistrango Pallotta
Arrival Date: 6 Mar 1890
Birth Year: abt 1850 Age: 40
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York Port
Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Alesia

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possibly related 1909 Death Record

Pallato Peter 62 y Sept 3 1909 26380 (1909) Manhattan 1846 - 1847

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby suanj » 11 Jan 2011, 20:29

Hi Valarie, maybe is the correct arrival of Pierangelo and Francesco arrived after 1890... that is possible,
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby Biff83 » 11 Jan 2011, 23:56

Many thanks, suanj and Valarie!!

With the help you both provided, I located this 1897 immigration record for a Carmela Pietraroia , last residence Guardiaregia, heading to New York to join husband Pietro. Still looking for records for Francesco and Vincenza to verify their place(s) of birth but I believe Valarie was correct that the marriage was arranged.

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6185 ... ietimm.jpg

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby vj » 12 Jan 2011, 00:02

Hey Biff!
I'm so glad you found that manifest
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby Biff83 » 12 Jan 2011, 00:09

I haven't been able to locate Francesco's immigration record but here's a 1911 record (line 7) for another Francesco Pallotta, born Guardiaregia, who is joining a cousin Francesco Pallotta on Mott Street, same street as the 1910 census posted above.

Page 1
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/9493/zzpal1911.jpg

Page 2
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/8708/zzpal19112.jpg

It sure looks like Guardiaregia was Francesco's hometown.

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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby vj » 12 Jan 2011, 00:26

What a Great Find Biff!
It looks like you've got your comune, and suanj's surname analysis worked out
Maybe Pietrangelo's father's name was Francesco
You'll have to let us know what you find in the Guardiaregia records
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Re: Francesco Pallotta/Vincenza D'Andrea

Postby suanj » 12 Jan 2011, 09:54

Hi Biff, thanks to Valarie for helpful inputs, now you can be very sure that really Guardiaregia is the right birthplace..
I believe that this record could be abt Vincenza; the age is a bit wrong (11 old instead of 14 or 15 old)
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/shipm ... 4139020040 and joining at mother Maria, unreadable surname.. just a suggestion...
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