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Looking for record in Livorno 1814-1819 dates

Postby CarlPlage » 22 Jan 2011, 14:19

Hi all

I'm a new member and this is my first post in the forum.
I'm tracing one of my ancestors who according to the ship manifest on a ship that he was working on he was born in Leghorn (Livorno) either in 1814, 1819 or some date between.
I have checked a microfiche for LDS FHC but couldn't find his birth.

His name was Philip or possibly John Plage.
His parents were Philip Plage and Juliet surname unknown at present.

I'm guessing he was born on the ship that they were on during the time in Livorno but I could be mistaken and they could have been residents in the port.
My family have a long tradition of working as mariners with many ship's captains amongst the Plage family throughout the ages.

This person is my stumbling block and is preventing me from making what I believe to be the link to Germany as the name appears to be Germanic in origin from what I can make out.

If anyone can shed any light onto the matter it would be much appreciated :)

Great forum sorry that I only just found out about it.

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Re: Looking for record in Livorno 1814-1819 dates

Postby suanj » 24 Jan 2011, 10:47

Hi, frankly Plage must be the scottish version of italian original surname... also is spelled differently in the censuses:
1871 Scotland Census about Philip Hage
Name: Philip Hage
Age: 55
Estimated birth year: abt 1816
Relationship: Head
Spouse's name : Margaret Hage
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy

Registration Number: 564/2
Registration district: Greenock East
Civil Parish: Greenock East
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 53 Sgle St
Occupation: Ship Master
ED: 24
Household schedule number: 160
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1871_98
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Hage
55
Margaret Hage
55
Joan Hage
28
Malcolm Hage
25
Philip Plage
15

SE?? Campbell
27
Catherin Cameron
15
Isabella Hildred
26
Robert Hildred
20
George Hildred
18
Jona Hildred
15
John Hildred
3
Alexr McKellar
16


1851 Scotland Census about Margaret Plege
Name: Margaret Plege
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1819
Relationship: Wife

Gender: Female
Where born: Greenock, Renfrew
Parish Number: 564
Civil Parish: Greenock Middle
Town: Greenock
County: Renfrewshire
Address: 1 Cross Shore
Occupation: Seamans' Wife
ED: 29
Page: 6 (click to see others on page)

Household schedule number: 19
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1851_118
Household Members: Name Age
Margaret Plege
32
Robert Plege
9
John Plege
7
Malcom Plege
2

so it is hard to say the original italian spelling; surely is not Plage... maybe Pace???
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Re: Looking for record in Livorno 1814-1819 dates

Postby CarlPlage » 24 Jan 2011, 11:26

Thnaks for the reply Suanj yes I have the census that you have listed, I have also seen my ancestors listed as Plaga and Plagin so I honestly don't know what the original name was.
As to them being Italian I don't even know if that is their origin only that he was born in Livorno possibly onboard a ship as Philip Plage and his wife Juliet will have been there. Most of the family were mariners and quite a few ship's captains with family being born while abroad, when the wife was pregnant they seemed to travel with the husband (captain of ship) and the child was born where they were docked at the time.

I guess my best bet is to get through the records for 1814-1819 period most likely 1816 and go through the whole alphabet for children born called John or Philip with parents Philip and Juliet and see what results we get.

A long process I know but other than that I can't think of anything else.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply to my thread :)

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Re: Looking for record in Livorno 1814-1819 dates

Postby suanj » 24 Jan 2011, 15:48

Hi, it is hard to find something without right italian surname spelling.... if you will have some update let us know...
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