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Surnames shortened by the US.

Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 13:53

I have completed five years of research now, and I still need help. My family name was shortened when my great grandmother and great grandfather came over in the early 20th century. The name is now FRAIL, but the original name was much longer. I have looked through a number of films and there are a few names that can work. Does anyone else have this issue, or does anyone have suggestions?
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Re: Surnames shortened by the US.

Postby vj » 27 Jan 2011, 14:52

Hey Rocky!
Have you located their ship manifest or naturalization papers?
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 14:56

I have nothing yet. It's like I'm just starting. No one is alive to tell me what the name was. I need a lot of help. I met my great grandmother once and she spoke no English.
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Re: Surnames shortened by the US.

Postby vj » 27 Jan 2011, 15:00

If you'd like we may be able to help you trace your g grandparents backward from their US records.
Do you have their census records?
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Postby suanj » 27 Jan 2011, 15:14

Rocky, if your ancestor lived in West Virginia, most probably the surname was Ferella..
I found a:
Name: Joe Frail
Spouse: Sarah Frail
Birth: abt 1877 - Italy
Residence: 1930 - Grant, Monongalia, West Virginia
and I believe that in italian spell the surname was Ferella; also I found some other italian similar surname in West Virginia ....
if you can say us the name of your italian ancestor we can help....
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 15:38

Her name was Elizabeth Frail. Sara may have been her sister. She had 5 sisters from what I understand. But that's awesome. Thank you so much. I will look into it.
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 15:47

I don't have the census but I have the info from the 1930 census with the frail name. She and her sisters all are listed on it. My grandmother and one living great uncle is listed however he had a stroke and can't speak.
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Postby adelfio » 27 Jan 2011, 15:50

Is this the family
Name: Elizabeth Donaldson
[Elizabeth Frail]
Home in 1930: Grant, Monongalia, West Virginia
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Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Joe Frail
Mother's name: Sarah Frail
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joe Frail 53
Sarah Frail 50
Frank Frail 25
Mary Frail 20
Pete Frail 18
Tony Frail 17
Angeline Frail 10
Elizabeth Donaldson 23
Josephine Donaldson 8
Raymond Donaldson 2
Betty Donaldson 1/12

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Re: Surnames shortened by the US.

Postby suanj » 27 Jan 2011, 15:52

this census ?
1930 United States Federal Census
about Elizabeth Donaldson Name: Elizabeth Donaldson
[Elizabeth Frail]
Home in 1930: Grant, Monongalia, West Virginia
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Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1907
Birthplace: New York
Relation to Head of House: Daughter
Father's name: Joe Frail
Mother's name: Sarah Frail
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joe Frail 53
Sarah Frail 50
Frank Frail 25
Mary Frail 20
Pete Frail 18
Tony Frail 17
Angeline Frail 10
Elizabeth Donaldson 23
Josephine Donaldson 8
Raymond Donaldson 2
Betty Donaldson 1/12


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Postby suanj » 27 Jan 2011, 15:53

ops adelfio you more fast!
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 15:54

That is her. She married Trace Donation after my test grandfather came up missing. Josephine is my grandmother. Wow. Thank you. But how do I find the original name because the italian records that I have looked at do not incude the name 'frail'
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 15:59

I am on my phone so I apologize for the delay... I guess what I want need to know now is how do I get the documents I need.
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Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 16:02

I am on my phone so I apologize for the delay... I guess what I want need to know now is how do I get the documents I need.
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Postby suanj » 27 Jan 2011, 16:05

rocky for first thing need of to find the same family in 1910 census, and after the WWI of Joe Frail, so we can have better idea, by italian birthplace, abt the right italian surname spelling... after that all is easy...
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Re: Surnames shortened by the US.

Postby onyxshadow13 » 27 Jan 2011, 16:12

I don't understand how you all found that info so quickly. I'm very happy for it. I just looked and can't locate the 1910 census.
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