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great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 21 Feb 2011, 14:45

Hello everyone,

I am trying to find find some information of my great great grandparents. I know that they came from italy in the 1890's to philadelphia but that is all. I would like to know where in Italy they came. I have been told around the area of Naples but noone is really sure. I can give you some information and maybe someone can help. It would be greatly appreciated it.

Great great grandfather Antonio Barba born in Italy around 1865-1869.
Great great grandmother Rafaela Grimaldi born in italy around 1872-1876
They married in Camden New Jersey on April 5,1894.

Any info or recommendations will be helpful.
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Re: great great grandparents

Postby suanj » 22 Feb 2011, 10:24

Hi, I no found a Antonio Barba married at Raffaela Grimaldi in NJ, but I found a probable arrival abt a Antonio Barba:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Antonio Barba
Name: Antonio Barba
Arrival Date: 25 Feb 1892
Birth Year: abt 1866
Age: 26

Gender: Male
Port of Departure: Marseille Naples and Barcelona
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Britannia

in travel with Nicola Barba age 24....


and I found a Antonio Barba married at Raffaela Rinaldi ( not Grimaldi); but living in Philadelphia, PA and not in NJ:

1930 United States Federal Census about Anthony Barba
Name: Anthony Barba
Home in 1930: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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Age: 63

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Ralpha Barba

Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
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Household Members: Name Age
Anthony Barba
63
Ralpha Barba
48
Amday Barba
30
Louise Barba
12
Eithe Barba
7
Carmela Barba
10
Robert Rendino
24
Philemona Rendino
21
Marie Rendino
3
Rose Rendino
2



1920 census:

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Name: Tony Barbar
Residence: , Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Age: 60
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Film Number: 1821614
Digital Folder Number: 4383871
Image Number: 00515
Sheet Number: 17
Household Gender Age
Tony Barbar M 60y
Spouse Ella Barbar F 46y
Child Angelio Barbar M 23y
Child Amettido Barbar M 20y
Child Umbert Barbar M 17y
Child Micheal Barbar M 15y
Child Tony Barbar M 14y
Child Florence Barbar F 13y
Child Philina Barbar F 10y
Child Edith Barbar F 8y
Child Louis Barbar M 3y
Child Helen Neckomen F 19y
John Neckoman M 25y
Frank Neckoman M 8m


1910 census:
Name: Tony Barber
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Philadelphia Ward 2, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race : White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1887
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Family Number: 616
Page Number: 33
Household Gender Age
Tony Barber M 42y
Spouse Rafaela Barber F 31y
Child Angelo Barber M 12y
Child Amada Barber M 10y
Child Helen Barber F 9y
Child Humbert Barber M 7y
Child Michael Barber M 5y
Child Antonio Barber M 4y
Child Flora Barber F 2y
Child Mary Barber F y 4m
John Rinaldi M 26y imm. 1892 brother in law


2 children deaths: Louis and Michael
Name: Louis Barba
Death Date: 07 Jun 1915
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Race: white
Death Age: 4 months
Estimated Birth Year: 1915
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Phila.
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Antonio Barba
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Name: Raffaela Renoldi
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: Infant
Street Address:
Place of Residence: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pa.
Cemetery:
Burial Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Burial Date: 08 Jun 1915
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 1429095
Digital Folder Number: 4009426
Image Number: 241
Reference Number: cn 13225


Name: Michael Barba
Death Date: 19 Dec 1897
Death Place: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Gender: Male
Race: White
Death Age: 20 days
Estimated Birth Year: 1897
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Phila
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Antonio Barba
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Raffaela Barba
Mother's Birthplace:
Occupation:
Street Address: 7181 Christian St
Place of Residence: Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Cemetery: St Mary Cemetery
Burial Place:
Burial Date: 20 Dec 1897
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 1870494
Digital Folder Number: 4009670
Image Number: 399
Reference Number: cn 11439


I know not if the above records are abt the family that you are searching for, but if you can provide more details, maybe it is possible the help better,
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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 22 Feb 2011, 12:50

Suanj,
Thank you for the info. The first 2 are definetly my family. The spellings are off but I recognize all the names. They were married in New Jersey but resided in philadelphia. What Iam looking for is the comune in Italy that Antinio came from. His wife name was Rafaella Grimaldi. Though mispelled on docs you found. He did naturalize in 1905 in Philadelphia. I have a copy of the certificate.
Thanks again for the help and if you can locate anything for me, i will be grateful. Have a good day

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Postby suanj » 22 Feb 2011, 14:32

the 1930, 1920 and 1910 censuses are all abt same family also if the age is wrong, but it is a error very common in the censuses.. I am sure abt that...

Raffaela maiden name surely is Rinaldi, and on the death record of a son, Amedeo ( Amedio), we have the certainty abt that:
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Amedio Barba
Name: Amedio Barba
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 28 Feb 1901
Birthplace: Pennsylvania
Death Date: 23 Jul 1986
Death Place: Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name: Rinaldi

as a well by genealogic tree on Ancestry.com of Louis J Barba born in 2 Nov 1917 in Phila and died on 9 Feb 1987 Galesburg, Knox, Illinois, USA
( the other Louis was born and died infant in 1915, as a well the other Michael died infant in 1897),
and in this genealogic tree the Raffaela maiden name is Rinaldi...
Also on this genealogic tree Antonio Barba birthplace is in Naples province, but I am no sure abt this info, if correct or not...

maybe in Antonio Barba petition of naturalization could be possible to find more infos abt immigration, birthdate and birthplace....
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Postby suanj » 22 Feb 2011, 14:53

I found some passports abt Angelo Barba, musician, born in Philadelphia on 30 Nov 1897, son of Antonio Barba, and I believe that is the oldest son of your Antonio Barba;
well in the passport, he declaring of to go in Olevano sul Tusciano ( Salerno province) for to resides with parents
U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Angelo Barba Name: Angelo Barba
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1897
Birth Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Residence: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Passport Issue Date: 16 Feb 1915
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
pag 1 http://img219.imageshack.us/i/bar1h.jpg/
pag 2 http://img808.imageshack.us/i/bar2i.jpg/

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Angelo Barba Name: Angelo Barba
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1897
Birth Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 19
Residence: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Passport Issue Date: 9 Nov 1917
Passport Includes a Photo: Yes
pag 1 http://img524.imageshack.us/i/barba1.jpg/
pag 2 http://img707.imageshack.us/i/barba2.jpg/

U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925
about Angelo Barba Name: Angelo Barba
Birth Date: 30 Nov 1897
Birth Place: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Residence: Pennsylvania
Passport Issue Date: 27 Jan 1920
Father Name: Antonio Barba
Father's Birth Location: Olevano Sul Tusciano Salerno, Italy

pag 1 http://img109.imageshack.us/i/barbapas1.jpg/
pag 2 http://img249.imageshack.us/i/barbapas2.jpg/

You said that your Antonio Barba naturalized in 1905; by this passports, Angelo Barba declaring that the own father, Antonio Barba, naturalized in Phila on 6 jun 1905... if all is ok, Olevano sul Tusciano is the birthplace of Antonio Barba and he imm. in oct 1887...
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Postby suanj » 22 Feb 2011, 15:04

In 1914, Carmine Barba born in Olevano sul Tusciano, father carmine in Olevano sul Tusciano( same first name?) andjoining at brother Antonio Barba in Philadelphia:
First Name: Carmine
Last Name: Barba
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Olevano, Italy
Date of Arrival: Apr 26, 1914
Age at Arrival: 34y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Calabria
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0021

pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0021

pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0021

wife and children of Carmine, ( Emanuela Barba nee Costa and Elpidio and Ernesto Barba) trip crossed
pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006
pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0006

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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 22 Feb 2011, 16:27

suanj,

I think you are amazing. Thank you very much. Angelo is my great uncle and all the info adds up. Antonio's naturalization cert. is dated june 6, 1905. Amazing. Noone ever could remember the town he came from and now I know. mille grazie

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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 22 Feb 2011, 16:34

suanj ,
also is there a way to find out where rafaela rinaldi was from or could she be from the same town. Looking at the marriage certificate the writing is a little a unclear but at closer look it defintelt could be Rinaldi. thank you again

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Postby suanj » 22 Feb 2011, 17:31

Hi, I searched abt the Raffaela Rinaldi arrival, but no luck until now....in 1910 census, Raffaela declared that she arrived in 1892, as a well the brother John Rinaldi....
I no found the arrival of both, but it is very probable that both travelled with the parents... Raffaela was abt 13 old in 1892 and John abt 8 old... and maybe the family settled in Camden NJ, because Raffaela married here.....
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Re: great great grandparents

Postby sonya » 01 Mar 2011, 11:28

I think we may be related!

I just googled my nonno, Ernesto Barba of Olevano Sul Tusciano, Salerno and came across your post so I joined to respond.

Emanuela Barba née Costa is my great grand mother.

My mother is Emanuela Barba b. 1950, brothers Elpidio Barba & Giuseppe Barba. Their Nonna is Emanuela Barba née Costa. I am in Sydney, Australia. My parents migrated here alone in 1972.

All of our family are either in Italy, USA or Wales.

Can you get in touch with me - I think we may be cousins?

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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 01 Mar 2011, 13:14

Sonya,
Ciao. Pleasure to meet you. I also believe we are cousins. Emauela's husband Carmine was my great great grandfather's brother and Ernesto's father was my great great grandfather's brother . I believe Carmine was also their father's name. I have sent for a family record to Olevano to see what else I can find.I know they both came to Philadelphia at one point but Carmine must have went to Australia or back to Italy. I am just starting my search on the Barba family. My great grandmother Filomena was Antonio's daughter out of 15 children. She recently passed at 101 years old (the last child of his living) and I decided to learn more of her family.
The Barba's are my father's maternal side. His mother(my grandmother) is one of Filomena's daughter. Antonio was married to Raffaela Rinaldi. I am not sureif she was from Olevano sul Tusciano but I am searching.
This is very exciting. I guess it really is a small world. I f you like you can semd me a pm and I will give you my email and we can learn more. Have a great day


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Re: great great grandparents

Postby sonya » 01 Mar 2011, 21:40

Eric, I can't seem to get my messages to send as a pm to you.
Can you pm me your email address so I can write to you? Very very excited! Sonya

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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 05 Mar 2011, 02:22

Hi suanj,

If possible I would like to ask if you cuold look for information on someone for me. My cousin informed me that Antonio Barba and Carmine Barba of Olevano sul Tusciano possibly had another brother either named Giacinto or Angelo Barba. Is there any way you could see if you could find anything in him. Thanks in advance

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Postby suanj » 05 Mar 2011, 13:58

hi,
here the arrival of Giacinto Barba:
First Name: Giacinto
Last Name: Barba
Ethnicity: Italy, Italian South
Last Place of Residence: Olevano, Salerno
Date of Arrival: Aug 10, 1907
Age at Arrival: 18y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Florida
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0025

father Carmine in Olevano sul Tusciano, and joining at brother Carmine in Philadelphia

I no found more records abt Giacinto...
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Re: great great grandparents

Postby belmoro19 » 05 Mar 2011, 14:11

Thank you suanj


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