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New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby ffernino » 10 Mar 2011, 00:51

I am searching for info on my grandfather, who was born in New Haven in March, 1882. I searched the 1880 census on Ancestry.com, hoping to find info on his parents. The name search failed. Next, I looked at each page of each ED (72-98), hoping to find a cluster of Italian residents. Nothing. So, a few questions: where were the Italians in New Haven in 1880? Are there additional EDs beyond those at Ancestry.com? How can one go from a street address to a ED? I am a novice, so any help is appreciated.

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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby PunzoNewHaven » 10 Mar 2011, 11:10

I am not sure what an ED is?
There is another great site, Family Search.com or org just do a search.
The Italians were all over New Haven, mine were all spelled incorrectly in the old census' as well. But there are some really great people here who may be able to help you like they did me if you give them the name you are looking for.

MOST Italians settled in Fair Haven and the Annex area, some were on the other side near the hill, but most were in Fair Haven down to Wooster and Chapel.
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby ffernino » 10 Mar 2011, 13:56

Thanks for the reply. "ED" means Enumeration District. So what I am saying is that I went through the 1880 census for New Haven page by page, at least what was available on Ancestry.com, and was unable to find a cluster of Italian families. So I am wondering if there are additional pages that Ancestry doesn't have, or if the Italian immigration was later.

Specifically, I am looking for information about my grandfather and his parents. His name was Giochino Fernino, born on March 12, 1882 to Antonia and Francesco Fernino. They lived at 18 Union Ave, New Haven. At the time of the birth, Antonia was 40 years old, and Francesco was 45. I have found reference to a Francesco Fernino, a grocer on Oak Street, but he seems to be much younger.

I don't know when they arrived from Italy, and it certainly possible that they were not in New Haven for the 1880 census. But I thought that by going through the census and looking at each Italian family, I might be able to spot them.

In looking through the census pages, I could not make out many of the street names. It seems like a primary skill that I would have looked at if I was hiring census takers would have been penmanship. Nevertheless, I was wondering if there was an index that allowed you to input an address and determine what ED covered that address for the 1880 census. If this were available, I could check out Union Ave, Wooster Street, Legion Ave, etc to see if I could pick up any clues.

Anyway, thank you. I am new to this and find it very interesting. just wish I could have gotten started before my parents passed away.

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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby wldspirit » 10 Mar 2011, 16:06

The following site provides useful tools for the census, however I don't know that the street to ED is available for 1880, scroll down the page to the heading, Census.

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also keep in mind that information provided on the census is subject to error, accents were hard to understand, memories faded, the census taker didn't have to be a spelling bee champ, let alone was good penmanship required.... :lol:
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby PunzoNewHaven » 10 Mar 2011, 21:51

Do these names look familiar?


Name: Angelo G. Fernino
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 25 Oct 1889
Birthplace: New Haven, New Haven, Connecticut
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Giovanni A. Fernino
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Maria Conti
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I02125-9
System Origin: Connecticut-EASy
Source Film Number: 1405868
Reference Number: 65
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ffernino wrote:Thanks for the reply. "ED" means Enumeration District. So what I am saying is that I went through the 1880 census for New Haven page by page, at least what was available on <a href="http://www.jdoqocy.com/click-3166187-10456885" TARGET="_blank">Ancestry.com</a>, and was unable to find a cluster of Italian families. So I am wondering if there are additional pages that Ancestry doesn't have, or if the Italian immigration was later.

Specifically, I am looking for information about my grandfather and his parents. His name was Giochino Fernino, born on March 12, 1882 to Antonia and Francesco Fernino. They lived at 18 Union Ave, New Haven. At the time of the birth, Antonia was 40 years old, and Francesco was 45. I have found reference to a Francesco Fernino, a grocer on Oak Street, but he seems to be much younger.

I don't know when they arrived from Italy, and it certainly possible that they were not in New Haven for the 1880 census. But I thought that by going through the census and looking at each Italian family, I might be able to spot them.

In looking through the census pages, I could not make out many of the street names. It seems like a primary skill that I would have looked at if I was hiring census takers would have been penmanship. Nevertheless, I was wondering if there was an index that allowed you to input an address and determine what ED covered that address for the 1880 census. If this were available, I could check out Union Ave, Wooster Street, Legion Ave, etc to see if I could pick up any clues.

Anyway, thank you. I am new to this and find it very interesting. just wish I could have gotten started before my parents passed away.
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby PunzoNewHaven » 10 Mar 2011, 21:55

I also found a Frank (could be Francesco Farnino) that passed away in 1896, could that be him? It doesn't give an address, however if you go to New Haven City Hall, Vital Records on Orange St. they can get you birth and death certificates right away for $20.00 each.
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby PunzoNewHaven » 10 Mar 2011, 22:07

Found some info. on ED for you. If this link doesn't work, when you go to Ancestry, click on a page of the New Haven Census where is says "View this Image" when you do there are little green links on top, just click on say Ward 3, then it will give you a list of all the wards and the districts. I knew I saw it somewhere but I couldn't remember how to get to it!

Try this link:http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Connecticut.New+Haven.New+Haven+Ward+5.0394.33&sid=&gskw=Frank+Fernino&cr=1
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby ffernino » 11 Mar 2011, 13:47

Thanks very much for the info. The names you posted.. Angelo and Giovanni... are not familiar. However, the death of Frank Fernino in 1896 could very well have been my great grandfather. Could you tell me how you located that info? As for the Vital Records, I was there a couple of weks ago to obtain my grandfather Giochino's birth certificate. Next trip to New Haven, I'll try for Frank's death certificate in 1896.

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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby johnnyonthespot » 11 Mar 2011, 14:16

Was Francesco a tailor, perchance?

Right side of page, about halfway down:

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In other years, he is listed at various numbers but always on Oak Street, and as both a tailor and also as a grocer.
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 11 Mar 2011, 14:41

Do you have any thoughts as to when Francesco and Antonia married? Was Giochino their first born child?

This was a time when pregnancy often occurred within a few months after marriage and a first-born child nearly always came along well before the parent's second anniversary.

Given that, if Giochino was the first child, it is entirely possible that the parents were not yet married in 1880. If we go with that, then the F. Fornino, age 43, and living in Naugatuck (New Haven County) on the second line of this census may be of interest:

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By the way, there do not appear to be any Fernino's in Italy today, leading me to question the validity of this spelling. There are, however, Fornino's...

http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/gen ... me=FORNINO
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby PunzoNewHaven » 11 Mar 2011, 22:45

You're welcome.
Go to familysearch.com and enter F Fernino then CT as location and it will come up. :)


ffernino wrote:Thanks very much for the info. The names you posted.. Angelo and Giovanni... are not familiar. However, the death of Frank Fernino in 1896 could very well have been my great grandfather. Could you tell me how you located that info? As for the Vital Records, I was there a couple of weks ago to obtain my grandfather Giochino's birth certificate. Next trip to New Haven, I'll try for Frank's death certificate in 1896.
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Re: New Haven CT 1880 Census Help

Postby ffernino » 12 Mar 2011, 00:39

Carmine... I really don't know what Francesco did for a living or when (or if) he an Antonia were married. Until last Friday, I had no idea who were the parents of my grandfather. As for the Francesco that is listed as a grocer on Oak street, I think that is a different family. In the 1900 census, he as living with wife Rosalia and son Michael, and he was age 35. My great grandfather was 45 in 1882, when my grandfather was born. I think the "Fornino" you found in Naugatuck is my best lead so far. Thanks again for the info.


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