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Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 20 Mar 2011, 22:11

Hi, Im new to this so please bare with me.
I am looking for information on my gggrandfather Philip Costello b. about 1870 Italy, came to usa about 1896
married to Minnie , son Philip b. 1890 NY and daughter Ida b. 1892

I cant find naturalization papers or where he came from. he lived in NYC and moved to NJ at some point supposidly he is some how related to the infamious Frank Costello.

another thing i remember Philips mother was suppose to be some kind of baroness in italy.
Not sure what the name was when they came over I know it was changed.

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby suanj » 21 Mar 2011, 15:29

sorry, but if Philip sr arrived in 1896, as it is possible that the children was born before of 1896 and in NY?
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Re: Philip Costello

Postby suanj » 21 Mar 2011, 15:44

I found a:
1910 United States Federal Census
about Philip Costello
Name: Philip Costello
Age in 1910: 40
Estimated Birth Year: 1870
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York
Marital Status: Divorced
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of immigration: 1896 Naturalized
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Philip Costello 40
Ida Costello 20 daughter


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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 21 Mar 2011, 19:09

ya thats the only census i managed to find :( but thanks for the help

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby suanj » 21 Mar 2011, 20:25

I believe that Philip (Filippo) Costello married at Minnie, but Minnie had the children... maybe she was widow.... in 1910 they was divorced....
I no found the marriage record, and that is strange; as a well I no found the births of Philip jr and Ida; Ida seeming born abt in 1890...
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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 21 Mar 2011, 20:37

no unfortunatly I dont know Minnie's maiden name, all i have is what i remember and that 1910 census. ty for helping

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby suanj » 21 Mar 2011, 20:38

oh, maybe a trace.. I found, just now, a marriage record abt:
Surname Given Name Month of Marriage Day of Marriage Year
of Marriage County Certificate
Number
Castello Philip Mar 16 1911 Manhattan 6670
Zinn Minnie Mar 16 1911 Manhattan 6670

if it is correct, meaning that Minnie was not the first wife, but the second wife... and she was not the biological mother of Philip jr and Ida

Remaining the dilemma if really Philip jr and Ida was the Philip Costello children...
the possibilities are two:
or
-Philip arrived in USA in the 1896, married at a widow with 2 children, and he adopted the children; after divorced and he married at Minnie

or
-Philip arrived in USA before of 1890, married at a woman, the children was born, after divorced from wife and he married at Minnie

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 21 Mar 2011, 21:07

Thats more likley to be Philiip Jr. maririage.. as he would have been about 21 if the dates are correct, but maybe a lead in the right direction if i can get the records...

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 22 Mar 2011, 00:46

Well I found this
1910 NYC census (think this is the same ward that Phillip lived in)
Name: Minnie Zinn
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1885
Birthplace: West Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: West Virginia
Mother's Birth Place: West Virginia
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby suanj » 22 Mar 2011, 06:26

sastinam wrote:Well I found this
1910 NYC census (think this is the same ward that Phillip lived in)
Name: Minnie Zinn
Age in 1910: 25
Estimated Birth Year: 1885
Birthplace: West Virginia
Relation to Head of House: Head
[Self (Head)]
Father's Birth Place: West Virginia
Mother's Birth Place: West Virginia
Home in 1910: Manhattan Ward 12, New York, New York

so This is Minnie!
well now we know more... remaining of to know the Philip sr first wife... I believe that in 1900 census we can find the complete family: Philip sr, first wife and children
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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 22 Mar 2011, 11:26

only I cant find them in 1900 census. seems like they fell off the face of the earth

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby johnnyonthespot » 22 Mar 2011, 12:41

As an aside, I was quite surprised to learn that the name "Costello" is far more prevalant in Ireland than in Italy. Compare:

http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi ... stello&dv=

http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/search.ds

More importantly, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costello - "Costello is a surname in the English language. The name is an Anglicised form of the Irish Mac Oisdealbhaigh, meaning "son of Oisdealbhach"..."

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 22 Mar 2011, 13:04

Yes, because family tridation has it Philip was related to Frank Costello reputed NYC mob boss, cousins from what I remember...

Frank came over his last name being Castiglia, and he Americanized it...
Frank was born in Lauropoli,Calabra, Italy

I've even tried tracing his relatives, but come up empty

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Re: Philip Costello

Postby johnnyonthespot » 22 Mar 2011, 13:18

sastinam wrote:Yes, because family tridation has it Philip was related to Frank Costello reputed NYC mob boss, cousins from what I remember...

Frank came over his last name being Castiglia, and he Americanized it...
Frank was born in Lauropoli,Calabra, Italy

I've even tried tracing his relatives, but come up empty


Costello is not an Americanization of Castiglia (I have intimate knowledge of this subject). The story I have heard is that Francesco Castiglia changed his name to save his mother from embarrassment and to protect her from his enemies. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Costello )

As for family (oral) tradition, there are many, many, people here who can attest to how often it turns out to be mildly to wildly inaccurate. :)
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Re: Philip Costello

Postby sastinam » 22 Mar 2011, 13:56

I dont really care If I am related to him or not... I just want my grandchildren to know their heritage.

At this point I am following any leads to find information on Philip.
no census but 1910, no death records, no birth records....

I've got my Grandmother Ida costello from 1910 on, nothing before that.


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