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Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 17:06

Is LILY and Italian name? If someone was called Lillian by the family, was she born LILLIANA possibly? What other name could she have been born with, to be called Lillian?
I just can't seem to find Lilian or Liliana Torino/Torrino in the Ellis Island Manifests. She came with her family around 1912-1913. I don't know her parents' names, though.

She was married by 1920 to Paul Schillaci, living in Garfield. It says she was naturalized in 1919...

Any help is MUCH appreciated!

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Mar 2011, 18:17

Possibly Liliana?

Take a look here: http://www.nomix.it/700l.php
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 18:21

Liliana is what I was thinking too.
Thanks for the website! It's going to be helpful in the future!
I have noticed that names are not always translated the way you would think...is Salvatore really Charles, for example? Since I could not find a Lily/Lillian/Liliana in the Manifest, I figured her name must have been something else...either that, or I was given the wrong Maiden name by family members.

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Mar 2011, 18:23

LeandraCat wrote:I just can't seem to find Lilian or Liliana Torino/Torrino in the Ellis Island Manifests. She came with her family around 1912-1913. I don't know her parents' names, though.


Julia, please remember that not all of our ancestors entered the US at Ellis Island. Thousands (tens of thousands?) came in through Boston, New Orleans, and several other ports. Not to mention the ones that sailed into Canadian ports and then crossed the border into the US by train or other means.

Do you have any additional information? Year of birth? Sibling's names?
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 18:29

Yes, I know there were other ports of Entry...
She was born in 1903 according to her Census Records with her husband.
I don't know any sibling names.
The 1930 Census says she is 27, was married at 15, Arrived in 1913 and became Naturalzed.
The 1920 Census says she is 18, Arrived in 1912 and became Naturalized in 1919.

That's all I know...I guess that's just not enough :(

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby Romano1970 » 25 Mar 2011, 18:37

Carmine, I can attest to that. I was told for years that my grandfather came through Ellis as my grandmother did. This did not turn out to be the case. He came through boston.
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby Michael31 » 25 Mar 2011, 19:03

First Name: Paolo
Last Name: Schillaci
Ethnicity: Italy, South
Last Place of Residence: S. Agata, Messina
Date of Arrival: Apr 07, 1910
Age at Arrival: 26y Gender: M Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Prinzess Irene
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0004

First Name: Paolo
Last Name: Schillaci
Ethnicity: Italian
Last Place of Residence:
Date of Arrival: Jan 02, 1904
Age at Arrival: 10y Gender: M Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Patria (1882)
Port of Departure: Naples
Manifest Line Number: 0022

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 19:09

Paolo Schillaci is Lily's husband. His Ellis Island record is the one for 1904.

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Mar 2011, 19:12

I have lost track of this: did Paolo and "Lily" marry in the US or in Italy?

Where did they live in the US?
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Mar 2011, 19:15

Is this your Lillian?

Social Security Death Index about Lillian Schillaci
Name: Lillian Schillaci
SSN: 434-80-6048
Last Residence: 70737 Gonzales, Ascension, Louisiana, United States of America
Born: 29 Mar 1904
Died: Dec 1974
State (Year) SSN issued: Louisiana (1966)
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Mar 2011, 19:16

On the 1920 Census (which has the surname incorrectly transcribed as "Schellas") it looks like the name was recorded as "Lina" - but in Ancestry it is transcribed as "Liara"

You might want to get a copy of one of the children's birth records. They were both born in NJ. Thomas about 1918, and John in Sept/Oct 1919 (the census was taken on the 22 of January and John is listed as 3 months old)
This should have the mother's full name.

1920 Census in Garfield NJ
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby johnnyonthespot » 25 Mar 2011, 19:24

Tessa78 wrote:... Thomas about 1918, and John in Sept/Oct 1919 (the census was taken on the 22 of January and John is listed as 3 months old)


Maybe November?

Social Security Death Index about John Schillaci
Name: John Schillaci
SSN: 154-16-4041
Last Residence: 19335 Downingtown, Chester, Pennsylvania, United States of America
Born: 7 Nov 1919
Died: 30 Apr 1998
State (Year) SSN issued: New Jersey (Before 1951)

U.S. Veterans Gravesites, ca.1775-2006
about John J Schillaci Name: John J Schillaci
Service Info.: 1ST SGT US ARMY WORLD WAR II
Birth Date: 7 Nov 1919
Death Date: 30 Apr 1998
Cemetery: George Washington Memorial Park
Cemetery Address: Paramus and Century Rds Paramus, NJ 07652
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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 19:25

Carmine, no, my Lillian lived in Garfield, so she died in New Jersey.

Tessa78: Lillian was my mother-in-law's Grandmother. She is the one that told me her name. I will have to ask her again, what her name was, and when she died...I can't find her in the Social Security Death Index, either...as Lillian Schillaci. There is only a Lillian Rose Schillaci, but that's a granddaughter or great-granddaughter....

In the 1930 Census, she is listed as Lily. The 1920 Census is VERY poor and the names were totally butchered!

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby Tessa78 » 25 Mar 2011, 19:27

Great catch, Carmine!!! :-D

So now...maybe a request for Social Security application for John?
Parents names and birthplaces there?

Request online...
http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

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Re: Help with a name...Lily

Postby LeandraCat » 25 Mar 2011, 19:30

Tessa78: I'll give it a shot :) Thank you!


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