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Can one Identify the church or parish from an Atto record?

Postby tbehler » 18 Apr 2011, 23:57

I have discovered Atto di Nascite's for two of my Palermo Sicily great grandfather's siblings, and I also have the "Atto della Solenne Promessa...Matrimonio" for his parents. I would also like to find the church or parish records for these events. The upper right hand corner of page one of all three of these Atto records has "Paroco" or "Parroco" listed with what appears to be a name. I believe this "Par[r]oco" name is the name of a priest but I don't know how to identify the church or parish this priest was associated with. Is the church or parish ever identified in a birth or marriage Atto?

If not, is there any way to identify it?

Thanks!

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Postby adelfio » 19 Apr 2011, 03:04

Does it say il parroco della Chiesa (pastor of the church)Ive seen priest sign the birth/ baptism document also it will say the town of the church sometimes is this the birth record from translation post Looks F. Paolo
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/alexbirthpart1.jpg/

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Re: Can one Identify the church or parish from an Atto recor

Postby liviomoreno » 19 Apr 2011, 07:32

adelfio wrote:Does it say il parroco della Chiesa (pastor of the church)Ive seen priest sign the birth/ baptism document also it will say the town of the church sometimes is this the birth record from translation post Looks F. Paolo
http://img225.imageshack.us/i/alexbirthpart1.jpg/

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In this birth record the Church is San Paolo

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Re: Can one Identify the church or parish from an Atto recor

Postby tbehler » 19 Apr 2011, 21:18

Hi and thanks for the help!

I cannot find the words "il parroco della Chiesa" in any of them. But after examining Marty's "alexbirth" record, I realized my Atto's "par[r]oco" information looks just like his. So perhaps my Atto's have the name of the church/parrish after all!

Can these three Atto's be examined to see if they indeed record the parish name?

Ohmygosh...has it been there all along?! ;-]

http://img19.imageshack.us/i/page1tw.jpg/
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/francescap ... nasci.jpg/
http://img249.imageshack.us/i/antoninaa ... epage.jpg/

P.S. One more thing...is it possible to make out the first two short words in Giacomo's domiciliato: "??? ??? Toledo/Sant'Oliva"; and also Rosalia's: "??? ??? Toledo/Sant'Agata" in their Atto della Solenne Promessa (http://img19.imageshack.us/i/page1tw.jpg/)? In each case, one of the mystery words sort of looks like "via" which might correspond to "Via Toledo". But I can't make either word out for sure.

Thanks again!

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Postby liviomoreno » 20 Apr 2011, 08:11

http://img19.imageshack.us/i/page1tw.jpg/ Parroco di Mxxxx
http://img62.imageshack.us/i/francescap ... nasci.jpg/ Parroco di M? Tartari ???
http://img249.imageshack.us/i/antoninaa ... epage.jpg/ Parroco di S. Nicolò

domiciliato ivi, via Toledo/Sant'Oliva

domiciliata ivi, via Toledo/Sant'Agata

domiciled in the same town, Via ....

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Re: Can one Identify the church or parish from an Atto recor

Postby tbehler » 20 Apr 2011, 23:20

Ahh, Livio, molto grazie!

After a few more hours of research, I found that there was indeed a Palermo district called Albergaria [or Albergheria] just southwest of downtown. And according to Wikipedia it includes the Royal Palace [Palazzo Reale] which has always been the residence of the kings of Sicily.

And there still exists there a Catholic church called San Nicolò all'Albergheria!

And it turns out that Via Toledo was the street that separated Palermo "seziones" Sant'Oliva and Sant'Agata. I can just imagine it: Giacomo living on Via Toledo in Sant'Oliva, while courting the widow Rosalia who lived across the street in Sant'Agata.

Back in 1841...it makes me smile!

Livio, may I ask one last favor? On Antonina's Atto di Nascita http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/6797 ... e1enla.png Giacomo and Rosalia are living in Albergaria. But I can't make out the name of the "uffiziale" who recorded the Atto, nor the Palermo Sezione he was from. The info I need is near the top and looks like this: Avanti di noi "????? ????????? ????????" Senatore, ed uffiziale dello Stato Civile del Comune di Palermo Sezione di "?????????" Valle di Palermo è comparso Giacomo Luca...

The Sezione sort of resembles "Albergaria" but that would be confusing because there supposedly was no such Sezione in Palermo. The best list of Palermo Seziones I have found is listed below and the Sezione in Antonia's Atto doesn't resemble any of them to me. Can you make it out?

Palermo Seziones:

Acquasanta
Altrarella
Baida
Brancaccio
Felde
Falsomiele
Mezzo Molo
Mezzo Morreale
Molo
Mondello
Oreto
Pallavicino
Proiezione
Resuttana
Sant'Agata
Santa Christina
Santa Ninfa
Sant'Oliva
Sferracavallo
Tommaso Natale
Uditore
Villagrazia
Ziza [Zisa]


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