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Glucini

Postby tawg » 27 Jun 2011, 01:50

I'm trying to figure out my Italian ancestry.

My grandfathers last name was Glicini. He was adopted in Parma, Italy. He came to the United States in 1921. I have looked at his passenger records from Ellis Island, and not much detail is given. When searching on EllisIsland.org I noticed the "alternate spellings" tab. There is one name which stands out - Maria Glucini - only because the spelling of the name is off by one letter. Also, the residency in Italy is not too far apart. I am wondering if there is a chance this is a relative of his? Assuming the last name was misspelled or off by a letter? Here is what was written on the ship manifest for her name.

http://tinypic.com/r/qnn12g/7

I am trying to figure out the name that was listed. I can see "4th class passenger on board same steamer" but I can not read the name listed!

If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.

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Re: Glucini

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 16:08

Both spellings are exceedingly rare in today's Italy, as seen here: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi?iq=&ver=default&font=default&btt=1&mr=10&rk=&om=&qs=glucini&dv=&l=en.

Do keep in mind that not all of our Italian ancestors entered the US through Ellis Island or the earlier New York port, Castle Garden (http://www.castlegarden.org). Many thousands came in through Boston, Philadelphia, New Orleans, and other ports.

By far, Ancestry . com is probably the best place to search all these records at once. If you would share your ancestor's full name and (at the least) year of birth, one of us may be able to find his manifest.
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Re: Glucini

Postby tawg » 27 Jun 2011, 16:13

Thanks so much for responding!

His full name was Guiseppe Glicini. He was born 1892 or 1893. He came to the US in 1921 through Ellis Island.

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Re: Glucini

Postby liviomoreno » 27 Jun 2011, 16:17

tawg wrote:
http://tinypic.com/r/qnn12g/7

I am trying to figure out the name that was listed. I can see "4th class passenger on board same steamer" but I can not read the name listed!

If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.

I read "Ms A??a Purina 1st class passenger on board same steamer"

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Re: Glucini

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 16:20

I found this nearly instantly:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Giuseppe Glicini
Name: Giuseppe Glicini
Arrival Date: 17 Feb 1921
Birth Year: abt 1894
Birth Location: Parma
Birth Location Other: corniglio
Age: 27
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genova
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Re D Italia

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Re: Glucini

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 16:22

Of course, I may have misunderstood... Did you already have Giuseppe's manifest?
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Re: Glucini

Postby liviomoreno » 27 Jun 2011, 16:27

liviomoreno wrote:
tawg wrote:
http://tinypic.com/r/qnn12g/7

I am trying to figure out the name that was listed. I can see "4th class passenger on board same steamer" but I can not read the name listed!

If anyone could help me I would greatly appreciate it.

I read "Ms A??a Purina 1st class passenger on board same steamer"


It is Mr Antonio Da Parma

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Re: Glucini

Postby tawg » 27 Jun 2011, 16:30

johnnyonthespot wrote:Of course, I may have misunderstood... Did you already have Giuseppe's manifest?


I did, but only one of the pages! Thank you for your help :D

Now I'm wondering if Maria Glucini was somehow related to him? The surname is only off by one letter, and it's leading me to believe there is a connection there. However, I may be wrong!

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Re: Glucini

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 16:44

I am leaning toward the possibility that Glucini is the correct spelling.

However, what has really piqued my curiosity is this:

On the manifest, Giuseppe Glicini says his nearest relative in Italy is "the father, Baselli Clemente" and (on the second sheet) the person he is coming to stay with in the US is "the brother, Boselli Pietro".

Very odd...

Why is Giuseppe's surname Glicini when his father and brother are Baselli/Boselli? (only the latter exists today in Corniglio telephone listings: http://www.paginebianche.it/execute.cgi?iq=&ver=default&font=default&btt=1&l=en&mr=10&rk=&om=&qs=boselli&dv=Corniglio
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Re: Glucini

Postby Tessa78 » 27 Jun 2011, 16:48

Related information at this thread :-D

topic22264.html

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Re: Glucini

Postby tawg » 27 Jun 2011, 16:54

Interesting!

He was adopted, so from what I know, Pietro Boselli was the oldest of the sons of the adoptive family he went to when he came into the US.

I do have the name of the Orphanage that he was in, in Parma. Do you think there is a way to trace or get more information if I have the orphanage name and his ID number?

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Re: Glucini

Postby johnnyonthespot » 27 Jun 2011, 16:59

Tessa78 wrote:Related information at this thread :-D

topic22264.html

T.


Interesting...

So, do you think Giuseppe eventually found his real father (and brother) or possibly he was adopted by the Boselli family?

Of the surname Glicini, this may be a one-off created by the orphanage. I note that Glicine is the Italian word for wisteria, a flowering plant.

http://www.wordreference.com/iten/glicini

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisteria

As you know, orphanages had various ways of inventing surnames for children. Naming them after flowers is not unheard of.
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Re: Glucini

Postby tawg » 27 Jun 2011, 17:06

No, he never found his "real" family. Boselli was his adoptive family.

I am thinking though that there must be some person I could possibly contact to find out more information, yes? I did click the Italian whitepages link you had posted, and I do see one "Glicini". Do you think this would be worth a shot at contacting her? Or what other ideas/advice do you have?

Thank you again :)

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Re: Glucini

Postby tawg » 28 Jun 2011, 16:35

Hi everyone! I just wanted to update that I have another interesting tidbit to share.

I did more researching last night. I noticed that the handwriting on the front and back of the letter are indeed different.

I decided to sign up on ancestry.com and now I think I have another lead!

According to this translation, topic22264.html
If Margherita Masetti was the one who brought the child to the town hall, it means she definitely knew who the mother was. I did a search on Ancestry and found a Caterina Masetti - who boarded a ship in 1937, and was born in 1873. Interestingly enough, the relative she listed was "Margherita". This is leading me to believe that Caterina was actually Guiseppe's mother! On the ship manifest, it also states she had another surname - Campini. I'm assuming she got married sometime after she gave birth to Guiseppe.

I'm now trying to find any sort of marriage certificate for Caterina Masetti/Campini. Ancestry.com does not appear to have this. Where else can I look? I would like to find the name of her husband.

It also listed she left a child behind in Italy - his name was Giovanni in Asti, Italy.

Thank you all again! I feel like I'm finally on to something :D

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Re: Glucini

Postby suanj » 28 Jun 2011, 22:11

Caterina MASSETTI/MAZZETTI (married at Maurizio CAMPINI) was born in Mombercelli (Asti province); Maurizio Campini and Margherita daughter was born both in Rocca D'Arazzo (Alessandria province); this infos by the trip of Maurizio Campini in travel with Margherita daughter, and Pierino ALLIANO ( 4 months old), son of Margherita; final destination Santa Cruz, California joining at son in law Mario ALLIANO ( in USA becoming: ALLINO), husband of Margherita:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Margherita Campini Name: Margherita Campini
Arrival Date: 12 Dec 1913
Birth Year: abt 1896
Birth Location: Alettandia
Birth Location Other: rocca d'aragse
Age: 17
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (North) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genova
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Principe di Piemonte

so Caterina MASSETTI/MAZZETTI and Maurizio CAMPINI most probably married in Rocca d'Arazzo...

Margherita death:
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Margherita A Allino
Name: Margherita A Allino
[Margherita A Campini]
Social Security #: 547487139
Sex: Female
Birth Date: 12 Mar 1896
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 14 May 1959
Death Place: San Francisco
Father's Surname: Campini

the son:
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Peter P Allino Name: Peter P Allino
Social Security #: 547012694
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 15 Jul 1913
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 9 Jul 1985
Death Place: San Francisco
Mother's Maiden Name: Campini

the husband:
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Mario Allino Name: Mario Allino
Social Security #: 559034243
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 21 Apr 1889
Birthplace: Other Country
Death Date: 8 May 1955
Death Place: Sonoma

second son???
California Death Index, 1940-1997
about Marino Allino Name: Marino Allino
Social Security #: 545032715
Sex: Male
Birth Date: 15 Oct 1914
Birthplace: California
Death Date: 21 Oct 1964
Death Place: Sonoma

1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Mario Allino Name: Mario Allino
Home in 1930: Petaluma, Sonoma, California
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Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Margaret Allino
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

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Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Mario Allino 40
Margaret Allino 33
Perino Allino 16
Marino Allino 15
Joe Campini* 36 brother in law
Joe Campini full name was Carlo Giuseppe Campini:
WWI draft registration card
Name: Carlos Giuseppe Campini
Birth: 21 Apr 1893 - Italy
Residence: Monterey, California
Other: Monterey County

born in San Carlo hamlet of Rocca d'Arazzo ( Alessandria province);
arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Carlo Campini Name: Carlo Campini
Arrival Date: 21 Aug 1909
Birth Year: abt 1893
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: rocca
Age: 16
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Havre
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: La Lorraine

mother Caterina Massetti in Rocca D'Arazzo, joining at father Maurizio Campini, CA....
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