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The Grande Mystery

Postby ibeirish » 07 Jul 2011, 01:58

Hey guys, I could use some help in finding some info on my relatives:
Dominick Grande was born 13 Feb 1890 in Italy.
He died in Riverhead (Suffolk County) NY on Nov 1978.
He was married to Madeline "Adeline" Falci.
She was born 22 Feb 1894 in Manhattan, NY and also died in Suffolk County, NY (2 July 1988).
The couple had 3 children:
Gloria, Annabelle, and Albert.
There has been a mystery about Dominick Grande in that there is a story about him being from a family of nobility in Italy, and because he was of noble blood, his family sent him to America so that he wouldn't have to fight in World War 1. I would love to find out if this old family story is true, if possible.
I'd also like any info that anyone can find about Dominick and Madeline - I'd really appreciate it.
Thanks so much!,
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby adelfio » 07 Jul 2011, 15:01

Welcome to the website Do you have Dominick Grande Italian birth record the reason I ask I found a couple of possible World Wars registration cards but the birth date is off.Is the address the correct area he lived in?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9664/grandeww1.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4697/grandee.jpg

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 15:09

Correct family?

1930 United States Federal Census about Dominick Grande
Name: Dominick Grande
Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York
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Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Adeline Grande
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Dominick Grande 40
Adeline Grande 31
Alfred Grande 8
Anna Grande 6

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby adelfio » 07 Jul 2011, 15:17

If those cards are right it says he was born in the comune of Toritto province Bari Italy


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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 15:18

WWII draft registration:

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 15:20

Another possible WWI card:

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Place of birth Comune di Bacoli, Provincia di Napoli, Regione di Campania.
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 15:27

Possible manifest. Immigration date 1907 does not agree with census (above - 1900), but this is not unusual. All other info seems to agree.

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Domenico Grande
Name: Domenico Grande
Arrival Date: 6 May 1907
Birth Year: abt 1889
Birth Location Other: baedi
Age: 18
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Roma


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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 16:03

I presume this is the same person?


Social Security Death Index
about Dominick Grande Name: Dominick Grande
SSN: 082-12-9743
Last Residence: 11901 Riverhead, Suffolk, New York, United States of America
Born: 12 Feb 1889
Last Benefit: 11779 Ronkonkoma, Suffolk, New York, United States of America
Died: Nov 1978
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951)
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby suanj » 07 Jul 2011, 16:43

Hi, the marriage record:

Grande Dominick Aug 18 1921 2707 (1921) Queens
Falce Adele Aug 18 1921 2707 (1921) Queens
if it is right as I think, the 1930 census is correct and in same census Mary Falci head with sons, maybe the mother of Adele (Adeline)...
now:
because he married in 1921, and in the WWI draft registration card posted above
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9664/grandeww1.jpg
he seeming married and with children, cannot be the same Domenick Grande also if the birthdate is similar;

instead seeming right the WWI draft registration card -found by Carmine- abt Domenick Grande born in Bacoli; also clerk as in the 1930 census...
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Domenick Grande Name: Domenick Grande
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1889
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1786970
DraftBoard: 167

I cannot be sure abt the 1920 census, but just I found:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Domick Grindi Name: Domick Grindi
[Domina Grindi]
[Donick Grande]
Home in 1920: Bronx Assembly District 7, Bronx, New York
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Calandred 33 (Colandrea or: Di Colandrea)
Josephine Calandred 29
Florence Calandred 6
Adolf Caranande 28 ( Carannante right spelling) brother in law
Domick Grindi 31 imm. 1906...

just my two cents...
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby johnnyonthespot » 07 Jul 2011, 16:57

If you decide the Domenico Grande from Bacoli is the correct person, you can write to the comune to request his birth details. This may clear up any questions concerning his heritage.


You can use a letter like this one, or search the forum for other examples:

07 luglio 2011 [luglio is July; month names in italian are written lower case]

[your name]
[your address]

STATI UNITI D'AMERICA - USA


Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Comune di Bacoli
Via G. De Rosa, 125
80070 Bacoli NA
ITALY
[the comune has an email address you can try if you want: servizio.statocivile@comune.bacoli.na.it]


Egregi Signori,

Mi chiamo [your name here], ed abito negli Stati Uniti all'indirizzo sopradetto.

Vi scrivo affinché mi aiutiate a reperire:

* Copia integrale dell'atto di Nascita

per il mio [your relationship to the person - see below]:

* GRANDE DOMENICO nato nel Comune di Bocali, in data 13 febbraio 1890 o 1899, paternità [his father's given name if you know it else 'incerto'], maternità [mother's full maiden name if you know it "SMITH JANE" else 'incerto']

Vi prego di farmi sapere quanto dovuto per il servizio e per i costi di spedizione.

Distinti saluti,

[your signature]




Birth/marriage/death photocopies of original registry pages are called: Copia integrale dell'atto di Nascita/Matrimonio/Morte. These are more difficult to read but contain lots of additional useful information compared to...

Birth/marriage/death computer-generated (sometimes hand-written) extracts are: Estratto Per Riassunto Per Atto Di Nascita/Matrimonio/Morte

Most comuni do not charge for these documents. Do send a large, self-addressed (but not stamped) envelope if possible; be sure to put "STATI UNITI D'AMERICA - USA" in the final line of your address. It is also a good idea to include a copy of your ID (driver's license, for example) as some comuni will not process requests without it.

Relationships:

Father: padre
Mother: madre
Son: figlio
Daughter: figlia
Grandson: nipote
Granddaughter: nipote
Sister: sorella
Brother: fratello
Uncle: zio
Aunt: zia
Grandfather: nonno
Grandmother: nonna
Great grandfather: bisnonno
Great grandmother: bisnonna
Great great grandfather: trisavolo
Great great grandmother: trisavola
Cousin: cugino (male) cugina (female)
Nephew: nipote
Niece: nipote
Husband: marito
Wife: moglie
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby ibeirish » 07 Jul 2011, 17:41

adelfio wrote:Welcome to the website Do you have Dominick Grande Italian birth record the reason I ask I found a couple of possible World Wars registration cards but the birth date is off.Is the address the correct area he lived in?

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9664/grandeww1.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/4697/grandee.jpg

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Thank you so much Marty. I have seen these two documents and noticed that the Dominick you found says he was married. From what I have, he was single when he came here to the states. Because you sent me these, you made me look at the WW1 draft in a different way in that I just found his town- Bacoli, Naples, Italy. Thank you for looking and sending me these things.

Ashley

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby ibeirish » 07 Jul 2011, 17:43

johnnyonthespot wrote:Correct family?

1930 United States Federal Census about Dominick Grande
Name: Dominick Grande
Home in 1930: Bronx, Bronx, New York
View Map
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Adeline Grande
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Dominick Grande 40
Adeline Grande 31
Alfred Grande 8
Anna Grande 6

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Yes this is the family! Wow you guys are fast. Thank you!

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby ibeirish » 07 Jul 2011, 17:49

johnnyonthespot wrote:WWII draft registration:

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Yes this is him, because his wife Adeline is on the relative section as well. Is there a way to find out if there was a reason why he didn't serve? Because I know he didn't from family stories. Thank you so much for finding these things, I'm looking into the manifest you sent me, and hopefully that's him.

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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby ibeirish » 07 Jul 2011, 17:57

Oh wow, where would I be able to locate the marriage record? Would it say Adele's (Adeline) parents, Mary and Gerardo "George" Falci?

Yeah the WWI Draft card that has Dominick married isn't my great grandfather. He was single and his birthday was Feb 13 1889/1890. I've seen the 1920 census and I'm not sure if it's him because I really don't have much knowledge of him, he spoke very little english. Thank you so much for finding this stuff out suanj. =)

Ashley



suanj wrote:Hi, the marriage record:

Grande Dominick Aug 18 1921 2707 (1921) Queens
Falce Adele Aug 18 1921 2707 (1921) Queens
if it is right as I think, the 1930 census is correct and in same census Mary Falci head with sons, maybe the mother of Adele (Adeline)...
now:
because he married in 1921, and in the WWI draft registration card posted above
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/9664/grandeww1.jpg
he seeming married and with children, cannot be the same Domenick Grande also if the birthdate is similar;

instead seeming right the WWI draft registration card -found by Carmine- abt Domenick Grande born in Bacoli; also clerk as in the 1930 census...
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Domenick Grande Name: Domenick Grande
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 13 Feb 1889
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1786970
DraftBoard: 167

I cannot be sure abt the 1920 census, but just I found:

1920 United States Federal Census
about Domick Grindi Name: Domick Grindi
[Domina Grindi]
[Donick Grande]
Home in 1920: Bronx Assembly District 7, Bronx, New York
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Nephew
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Sex: Male
Year of immigration: 1906
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
James Calandred 33 (Colandrea or: Di Colandrea)
Josephine Calandred 29
Florence Calandred 6
Adolf Caranande 28 ( Carannante right spelling) brother in law
Domick Grindi 31 imm. 1906...

just my two cents...
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Re: The Grande Mystery

Postby suanj » 07 Jul 2011, 18:23

I am positive that Domenico Grande was born in Bacoli;
the uncle or cousin (who know???), James/Gennaro Colandrea also:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about James Colandri
Name: James Colandri
City: Manhattan
County: New York
State: New York
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1886

Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1786969
DraftBoard: 166

born in Bacoli..

U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942
about Gennaro Colandrea
Name: Gennaro Colandrea
Birth Date: 2 Oct 1886
Birth Place: Bacoli, Italy
Residence: Bx, New York

Race: White



in 1930 census:
Name: James Colandrea
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Bronx (Districts 501-750), Bronx, New York
Gender: Male
Age: 43
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1887
Immigration Year: 1900
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Enumeration District Number: 509
Family Number: 132
Sheet Number and Letter: 6B
Line Number: 86
NARA Publication: T626, roll 1482
Film Number: 2341217
Digital Folder Number: 4661152
Image Number: 01039
Household Gender Age
James Colandrea M 43
Spouse Josephine Colanedrea
F 40
Child Flora Colanedrea
F 16


Flora married at Thomas B DeRosa:
DeRosa Thomas B Apr 28 1935 3691 (1935) Bronx
Colandrea Flora B Apr 28 1935 3691 (1935) Bronx


In Bacoli was the surname Colandrea and Di Colandrea

in effects:
Gennaro DI COLANDREA born in Bacoli with wife Maria DE ROSA also born in Bacoli, emigrated in USA and joining at aunt Teresa Carabine(spell?) that is the same name on the ship's manifest of Domenico Grande:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Gennaro B Colandrea
Name: Gennaro B Colandrea (DI COLANDREA)
Arrival Date: 28 Dec 1911
Birth Year: abt 1887
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: eboli ( wrong, correct: Bacoli)
Age: 24
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Principe di Piemonte

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so also the 1920 census is abt the right Domenico Grande...
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