I am trying to sort out some Pellegrini cousins using census data. In Angelo Pellegrini's family in the 1920 census I have an oldest son named Patsy born 1900/1901. But then in the same family in the 1930 census, I have an oldest son named Camille born 1900/1901.
Here is my question. Are Patsy and Camille both nicknames used for the name Pasquale?
ptimber wrote:No Patsy=Pasquale (nformal translation) and Camille=Camillo (proper name). Peter
Pasquale is basically Patrick in english or Pat I know this because my fathers name was Pasquale but he went by Pat the only time he used Pasquale was for important papers or his drivers license, but everyone knew him as Pat the only one who would also call him Pasco which is also short for Pasquale, in italian was my grandmother...... JanetPk
Trish is right, my grandfathers name was Pasquale and he went by Charles after he arrived in America but was listed as Pasquale at Ellis Island. I had the opposite problem, I was looking for Charles in the Ellis Island records until I remembered my mother telling me that my grandfathers name was Pasquale.
Pasquale is my grandfathers name as is many uncles and cousins, who, are generally named after someone in the family. Pasquale is Patsy, Patty, Pasqua, Pasqual, Pasqualino, and Patrick in English. However, to address your census reports, there are several possible explanations for the discrepancy between Patsy and Camille. 1: the census taker simply made a mistake. 2. Patsy got married young and was not on the 1930 census, (however leaves one to wonder why Camille was not on the 1920 census). 3. The wrong Pellegrini was researched at one or the other census, resulting in the mixup. 4. Patsys name was legally or otherwise changed to Camille, sometime between 1920 and 1930. Many times, census takers have been wrong about a name, but most often it is due to "similiarities" such as Robert/Roberto/Bob, or Pasquale/Patsy/Pat. In your case there is no similiarity in the name, which leads me to believe in the possible name change. I suppose there are other explanations.
Wow, this thread is so old I didn't even recognize it as mine. Thanks for the privte message, italy50.
I have been so busy writing the family history for my mother's family that I haven't had much time to properly research my father's family (Pellegrini). Oddly enough, I keep accidently tripping into information on them. Funny how that works. Anyway...
There were several Pellegrinis who came from Atessa (Abruzzi) to West Virginia. I have all of their ship manifests, all of their census records and all of their obituaries and a few of their vital records. The names of these gentlemen were Filippo (my great-grandfather), Giovanni, Arcangelo and Rafaele. Some of the evidence points to them being brothers (comments on ship manifests.) Some of the evidence would indicate that they are not brothers (obituaries and death records). One researcher on the internet has them all listed as sons of Pasquale Pellegrini. That is why the naming pattern of their sons became an issue. I was looking for a clue. Filippo named his first son Patsy, so that fits. But as I indicated earlier, Arcangelo Pellegrini,in 1920, reports an oldest son named Patsy born 1900/1901. But then in the 1930 census, reports an oldest son named Camille born 1900/1901. I have seen the death record for Raffaele Pellegrini and his father is listed as Camillo.
I am expecting anyday a letter from Atessa with the marriage record for my great-grandfather, Filippo. It won't give me his brothers, but at least it will list his father's name. There is no microfilm for Atessa after 1865, so it looks like I will have to do all of the research by mail. Stay tuned.