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Surname: Pastorino

Postby gordylink » 27 Jul 2011, 21:54

I would like some help in trying to find anything out that I could about my grandfather or greatgrandfather who came to the U.S.A. around 1910. His name was Alfred Angelo Pastorino, born 6/28/1888 in either Neirone or Florence area. At least that is what I have found out. I also found the name Giacomo (unsure of correct spelling) listed as Angelo's father.It also shows what looks like Genova under the name if this helps. If some one could help I would greatly appreciate it. Grazie! Gordy

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Re: Surname: Pastorino

Postby johnnyonthespot » 28 Jul 2011, 14:28

"Genova" is the Italian spelling for the place Americans call Genoa. For the name, Giacomo is indeed the correct spelling.

Is this him?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Angelo Pastorino
Name: Angelo Pastorino
Arrival Date: 13 Apr 1910
Birth Year: abt 1888
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: neirone
Age: 22
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Genoa, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Berlin

Line 27, sheet 1:

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Sheet 2:

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On sheet 2 (last column), we see that Angelo was born in Neirone, specifically Comune di Neirone, Provincia di Genova, Regione di Liguria. There is no indication where Giacomo was born although he appears to be living in Genova in 1910. If you request Angelo's birth certificate (in the correct format), Giacomo's birthplace should be shown there.
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 28 Jul 2011, 16:04

It is imperative that we determine with certainty that we are actually looking at your ancestor and interpreting the information correctly.

This WWI draft registration card seems to be for your Alfred Angelo Pastorino, but note that the place of birth is given as Chicago and it states he is a "natural born" citizen of the US.

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So, is this your ancestor, or not?

Here is a blank card, for easier reading:

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The WWII draft card also gives the place of birth as Chicago...

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Re: Surname: Pastorino

Postby pink67 » 28 Jul 2011, 19:37

Don't know if this record could be of some help but having Ancestry.com online the civil registrations for the town of neirone I noticed this birth act:

Birth Act number 10 - Year 1887

Pastorino Angelo Giuseppe was born in Neirone on the day 24 january 1887, son of Giacomo Pastorino, age 28, farmer, son of the living Giuseppe and of his wife Angela Schiappacasse daughter of the living Stefano, age 27.

link to the image on Ancestry.com:
http://search.ancestry.com/Browse/view. ... gskw=&cr=1

johnnyonthespot wrote:This WWI draft registration card seems to be for your Alfred Angelo Pastorino, but note that the place of birth is given as Chicago and it states he is a "natural born" citizen of the US.


this is a possible 1910 census for Alfred Angelo Pastorino, born in Illinois:

1910 United States Federal Census

about Alfred Partonna
Name: Alfred Partonna[Alfred Pastorino] [Alfred Sastnino]
Age in 1910: 1 [21]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889[1889]
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Louis T Partonna
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Nora J Partonna
Mother's Birth Place: Michigan
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 31, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louis T Partonna 50
Nora J Partonna 43
Eleanor Partonna 23
Alfred Partonna 1[21]
Frank J Partonna 17
Louis C Partonna 25
Gust H Ranerne 22

http://search.ancestry.com/iexec?htx=Vi ... =141193656

I believe that the arrival manifest that Carmine pointed you is correct for the one who was really born in Neirone being his father Giacomo...

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Re: Surname: Pastorino

Postby gordylink » 30 Jul 2011, 00:46

Thank you for you're help. Yes I do believe that the draft registration is his because that is as far as I have found out that was my grandmother that he was married to at the time. For WWII he had remarried. I honestly don't know if he was born in U.S. though as the card shows. From what my mother remembers, she said she remembers her sister wanting to learn Italian and he told her to basically learn English it was her country. I would like to try to learn some Italian if possible. Thank you for help.Stay in touch if possible. Gordy Link

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Re: Surname: Pastorino

Postby pink67 » 30 Jul 2011, 09:14

Pink67 wrote:1910 United States Federal Census

about Alfred Partonna
Name: Alfred Partonna[Alfred Pastorino] [Alfred Sastnino]
Age in 1910: 1 [21]
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1889[1889]
Birthplace: Illinois
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's name: Louis T Partonna
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's name: Nora J Partonna
Mother's Birth Place: Michigan
Home in 1910: Chicago Ward 31, Cook, Illinois
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Male
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louis T Partonna 50 head, born in Italy, married since 26 years, immigr. year 1871, naturalized, occupation superintendent in a Galvanizing shop
Nora J Partonna 43 wife, born in Michigan, (father born in NY., mother born in MI), married since 26 years, mother of 4 children all livings.
Eleanor Partonna 23 daughter, born in Illinois
Alfred Partonna 1[21] son, born in Illinois
Frank J Partonna 17 son, born in Illinois
Louis C Partonna 25 son, born in Illinois
Gust H Ranerne 22


can you confirm this 1910 census?
If it is correct for you ancestors's family, then this is the 1900 census for them, living in Indiana:

United States Federal Census

Name: Louis Pastorino[Louis Postorino]
Home in 1900: Center, Delaware, Indiana
[Muncie, Delaware, Indiana]
Age: 40
Birth Date: Apr 1860
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1871
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name: Nora Pastorino
Marriage year: 1883
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 17
Occupation: View on Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Louis Pastorino 40 head born in Italy, married since 17 years, occupation Galvanizer
Nora Pastorino 32 wife, born in Michigan on dec. 1867
Louis Pastorino 15 son, born in Illinois on march 1885
Nora Pastorino 13 daughter, born in Illinois on october 1886
Alford Pastorino 11 son, born in Illinois on june 1888
Frank Pastorino 7 son, born in Illinois on august 1892

here some birth dates:

Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922

Name: Nora Madiline Pastorino
Birth Date: 28 Oct 1886
Birthplace: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Female
Race: White
Father's Name: Loui C. Pastorino
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age: 26y
Mother's Name: Nora J. Williams Pastorino
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age: 19y
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives: X
Death Date:
Death Age:
Film Number: 1287859
Digital Folder Number: 4262231
Image Number: 921
Reference Number: 118722


These are the death dates of the head of this family, Louis Pastorino, and his wife, from the site Familysearch.org:

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947

Name: Louis C. Pastorino
Titles and Terms (original):
Death Date: 06 Jun 1945
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Marital Status:
Race or Color:
Age: 85
Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Birth Date: 13 Apr 1860
Birthplace: Geova, Italy
Father: Angelo Pastarino
Father's Titles and Terms (original):
Father's Birth Place: Genova, Italy
Mother: Madaline Corsiglia
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):
Mother's Birth Place: Genova, Italy
Occupation: sheet metal Supt.
Residence: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Street Address:
Spouse: Nora
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 09 Jun 1945
Burial Place: Proviso, Cook, Ill.
Cemetery: Mt. Carmel
Informant:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4152373
Image Number: 1665
Film Number: 1983364
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 16559

Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths, 1916-1947

Name: Nora J. Pastorino
Titles and Terms (original):
Death Date: 22 Oct 1927
Death Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Female
Marital Status:
Race or Color:
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: 1868
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1867
Birthplace: St. Louis, Michigan
Father: Nathan Williams
Father's Titles and Terms (original):
Father's Birth Place:
Mother: Jane Vorse
Mother's Titles and Terms (original):
Mother's Birth Place:
Occupation: housewife
Residence:
Street Address:
Spouse: Louis C.
Spouse's Titles and Terms (original):
Spouse's Birthplace:
Burial Date: 25 Oct 1927
Burial Place: Hillside, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery: Mt. Carmel
Informant:
Additional Relatives:
Digital Folder Number: 4204806
Image Number: 1185
Film Number: 1878037
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: rn 28546

and this is their marriage in Chicago:

Illinois, Cook County Marriages, 1871-1920

Groom: Louis C. Pastorino
Groom's Titles & Terms (Original):
Groom's Race (Original):
Groom's Race (Standardized):
Groom's Age: 23
Groom's Estimated Birth Year: 1860
Groom's Birth Date: 1860
Groom's Birthplace: Of Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
Bride: Nora J. Williams
Bride's Titles & Original):
Bride's Race (Original):
Bride's Race (Standardized):
Bride's Age: 15
Bride's Estimated Birth Year: 1868
Bride's Birth Date: 1868
Bride's Birthplace: Of Chicago, Cook County, Illinois
Marriage Type: Marriage
Marriage Date: 01 May 1883
Marriage Place: Cook County, Illinois
Intended Marriage Date:
Intended Marriage Place:
Groom's Father:
Groom's Father's Titles & Terms (Original):
Groom's Mother:
Groom's Mother's Titles & Terms (Original):
Bride's Father:
Bride's Father's Titles & Terms (Original):
Bride's Mother:
Bride's Mother's Titles & Terms (Original):
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband:
Groom's Paternal Grandfather:
Groom's Paternal Grandmother:
Groom's Maternal Grandfather:
Groom's Maternal Grandmother:
Bride's Paternal Grandfather:
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Bride's Maternal Grandfather:
Bride's Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 1030131
Frame Number:
Digital Film Number: 4271115
Image Number: 1309
Reference Number: 71012

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Re: Surname: Pastorino

Postby pink67 » 30 Jul 2011, 11:54

The first son born to Louis and Nora Pastorino:

Illinois, Cook County Birth Certificates, 1878-1922

Name: Louis C. Pastarinv
Birth Date: 01 Mar 1885
Birthplace: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Male
Race: White
Father's Name: Louis Pastarinv
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Nora Nillians
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Christening Date:
Christening Place:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Death Date:
Death Age:
Film Number: 1287845
Digital Folder Number: 4271643
Image Number: 1393
Reference Number: 77141

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https://www.familysearch.org/search/ima ... %3D1462519

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