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Searching for Desimone

Postby alching » 14 Aug 2011, 14:53

My Granmother's Name was Lucile Desmond (Desimone). Her father was Pasquale Desimone who emmigrated to USA probably in 1890's. His wife was Louisa Lafrano (sp). they had several children including Angelo, Dominick, Mary, Louise, Lucile. All from Utica Ny. Any help in finding their Italian roots, immigration info would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby adelfio » 14 Aug 2011, 15:02

Possible passport application for Pasquale Desimone says he was born in Laiano June 13 1874 son of Angelo Desimone


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Postby johnnyonthespot » 14 Aug 2011, 15:03

Let's narrow things down a bit... Is this your Pasquale?

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Pasquale Desimone
Name: Pasquale Desimone
City: Utica
County: Oneida
State: New York
Birth Date: 11 Jun 1874
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1819119
DraftBoard: 3

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 14 Aug 2011, 15:10

1930 census says Pasquale arrived in US in 1893; wife Louisa in 1900:

1930 United States Federal Census about Pasquale Desimone
Name: Pasquale Desimone
Home in 1930: Utica, Oneida, New York
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Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Louisa Desimone
Race: White
Household Members: Name Age
Pasquale Desimone 56
Louisa Desimone 53
Frank Desimone 28
Alexander Desimone 19
Nichols Desimone 21
Mary Desimone 17
Francis Desimone 15
Marion Desimone 10
Dominick Desimone 8

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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby adelfio » 14 Aug 2011, 15:17

Laiano is a frazioni(suburb) of comune of Cascina,Pisa ,Tuscany Italy
Cascina is a comune (municipality) in the Province of Pisa in the Italian region Tuscany, located about 60 km west of Florence and about 13 km southeast of Pisa. (From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby johnnyonthespot » 14 Aug 2011, 15:18

However 1920 census says Pasquale and Louisa arrived 1893 and 1892 respectively and both naturalized in 1897. If true, this means that most or all of their children would have been ineligible to inherit Italian citizenship. However, the 1930 census (above) indicates that Pasquale has submitted first papers ("Pa") and than Louisa is naturalized already...

1920 United States Federal Census about Pasquale Damone
Name: Pasquale Damone
[Pasquale DeSimone]
[Pasquale DeSimone]
[Isabelle Desmore]
[Pasquale Desmone]
Home in 1920: Utica Ward 2, Oneida, New York
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
[Head]
Spouse's Name: Louisa Damone
Father's Birth Place: Italy
Mother's Birth Place: Italy
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of immigration: 1893
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Pasquale Damone 44
Louisa Damone 39 [30]
Frank Damone 19
Angelo Desmone 15
Lucy Desmone 13
Nicholas Desmone 11
Samuel Desmone 9
Mary Desmone 6
Francis Desmone 5
Helen Desmone 0 [5/12] (means 5 months)
Mary Lefranc 85

Note: Louisa's mother is living with them.

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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby johnnyonthespot » 14 Aug 2011, 16:35

The second page of the passport application Marty linked to above includes a photo which may be of interest.

Also note that the passport application states that Pasquale naturalized in 1903 in the Oneida County Court. You may want to inquire here http://www.ocgov.net/oneida/historicalrecords about obtaining copies of the naturalization papers.

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I will also make note of the fact that there exists a second frazione in addition to the one Marty mentioned above, Frazione Laiano, Comune di Sant'Agata dei Goti, Provincia di Benevento, Regione di Campania, Southern Italy.

Finally, since it was not entirely common for people to list a frazione as their place of birth, I would also consider the possibility that Latiano was intended, Comune di Latiano, Provincia di Brindisi, Regione di Puglia, Southern Italy, or even that there may have been in the past a comune named Laiano - possibly one of the two frazioni already mentioned was once an independent comune.
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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby suanj » 14 Aug 2011, 16:45

hi alching I replied at your pm with all data helpful abt your search...
Carmine, Laiano is a hamlet of Sant'Agata dei Goti, here Pasquale arrival:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Pasquale Desimone
Name: Pasquale Desimone
Arrival Date: 18 Mar 1891
Birth Year: abt 1874
Age: 17
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy;S Agala
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Cachar
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Re: Searching for Desimone

Postby johnnyonthespot » 14 Aug 2011, 16:52

suanj, I thought that might be the correct manifest, but as you know, these early manifests contain very little useful information so it is not easy to be certain.

What do you think about the cognome of Louisa (Luisa?)? Lafrano does not seem to exist in Italy. Possibly it should be Lufrano?

Louisa's mother, from the 1920 census:

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Postby suanj » 14 Aug 2011, 17:21

Hi Carmine, abt the surname is Lofrano; Pasquale De Simone and Luigia Lofrano( or Lo Frano) marriage announcement:
http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20 ... ehtml&.pdf

abt Louise/Louisa/Luigia LOFRANO, I found that surely was a LoFrano family in 1910 Utica, NY:

Giuseppe/Joseph Lofrano b. 1845 abt IT imm. 1890
Annina Lofrano wife b. 1850 abt IT imm 1890
Vincenzo /James Lofrano b. 15 Oct 1888 IT imm. 1890


and I believe also that it was another daughter, and other children, and maybe also your Louisa DeSimone:

Caroline Lofrano
-first marriage: Dominick Zammiello
-second marriage: Ralph Guzzetti

by this obit seeming that this Caroline was born in Sicignano

http://www.fultonhistory.com/Process%20 ... ehtml&.pdf

now I know not if really Louisa/Luigia DeSimone nee Lofrano was the Caroline sister, but I am positive abt that....
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Postby suanj » 14 Aug 2011, 17:25

Carmine, so Louise mother was Mary... ?? no Annina....
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Postby suanj » 14 Aug 2011, 17:31

yes no Annina; Annina died before of 1920; here the family of Joseph Lofrano widow of Annina:
Name: Joseph Lafrono
Residence: , Oneida, New York
Estimated Birth Year: 1841
Age: 79
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Father
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Film Number: 1821244
Digital Folder Number: 4442070
Image Number: 00848
Sheet Number: 6
Household Gender Age
Child James Lafrono M 30y
Lizzie Lafrono F 30y
Joe Lafrono M 10y
Tony Lafrono M 8y
Josephine Lafrono F 7y
John Lafrono M 4y
Joseph Lafrono M 79y

however I believe that Joseph Lofrano was related at Louise De Simone, maybe uncle...
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