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I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby suziwag » 17 Aug 2011, 04:11

Oral history has it that Nicholas Patrick Plango was born 10/3/1875 and he came from Naples. We all know that it was probably a small town nearby. He supposedly imigrated to NY when he was 5 years old. The first time I find him isn't until he marries in 1895. He said his parents were Giuseppe Plango and Vittoria Tassi. I have searched census, telephone directories, naturalization which gleaned nothing, death records in NYC, etc, to no avail. Obviously the surname was something else, But what???
Any help or advice would be appreciated.

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby Italysearcher » 17 Aug 2011, 09:00

You need his ship manifest and naturalization record. If this board can't help try lostquays@ymail.com
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Postby Paolo47 » 17 Aug 2011, 11:10

Hello, :D
Take a look at this possible 1900 census.
Nicholas Plango
[Michael Plango]
Home in 1900:
Manhattan, New York, New York
[New York, New York]
Age:24
Birth Date:Oct 1875
Immigration Year:1877
Spouse's Name: Edna Plango
Marriage year: 1895

Married
Years married:5
Nicholas Plango 24
Edna Plango 21
Muriel Plango 1
Margarett Bloomingdale 60, Edna's mother??

http://postimage.org/image/313j0s290/

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Postby Paolo47 » 17 Aug 2011, 11:48

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby johnnyonthespot » 17 Aug 2011, 12:16

I don't want to be too discouraging, but you are facing a number of problems.

1) "He came from Naples" may simply have meant that "he sailed from Naples" in which case his actual town may have been nearly anywhere in the southern half of Italy

2) The name Plango does not exist in modern Italy and probably never did; quite frankly, I don't have the slightest idea as to what his real name may have been

3) Even if you do find a manifest for Nicola, it is unlikely to be helpful in determining his place of birth - or even last residence - as manifests from before about 1895 did not contain such information

4) Ditto about naturalization records; the very early ones often prove to contain little useful genealogical information

5) The surname Tassi, on the other hand, is quite prevalent in the upper half of Italy as seen here http://www.gens.labo.net/en/cognomi/genera.html?cognome=TASSI; sometimes a name exists within only a very small area - unfortunately that is not the case with Tassi

6) Even so, there are a number of similar spellings (Taci, Tessi, Tascio, and others) which appear in Italy in small numbers. Vittoria's surname may have really been Tassi or it may not have been

Had you found the naturalization petition? I found this:

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Note that it gives his birthday as October 3, 1875 and his immigration into the Port of New York on February 10, 1878. It also gives a New York City address at the time the petition was filed in 1898.

As you can see here http://castlegarden.org/search_02.php?m_ship=&po_port=&p_first_name=nicola&p_last_name=&o_occ=&co_country=&province=&town=&m_arr_date_start=1878&m_arr_date_end=1878&submit.x=70&submit.y=12, a search of the CastleGarden site (Castle Garden was the NY port of entry prior to the opening of Ellis Island in 1892), a search of all persons named Nicola arriving in 1878 does not turn up any likely candidates. Broadening the years searched to 1877-1881 still yields nothing useful.

Have you exhausted all possible family members in your search for details? It is not unusual to find that there is some forgotten aunt, uncle, cousin, who has a treasure trove of old documents stored away in a dusty box in his or her attic. :)
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Postby Paolo47 » 17 Aug 2011, 12:24

And the 1930 census
http://postimage.org/image/1l89vuiys/

Some interesting death records for you to look at from
http://www.italiangen.org/NYCDeathSearch.asp

Surname Given Name Age Month Day Year Certificate
Number County Soundex
Plango Edna 61 y July 21 1941 15299 Manhattan P452
Plango Lorraine C 4 y Aug 16 1923 21063 Manhattan P452
Plango Marion 1 h July 10 1904 24616 Manhattan P452
Plango Nicholas 50 y Sep 9 1926 23311 Manhattan P452
Plango Nicholas J 3 m July 22 1898 19957 Manhattan P452
Plango Vivian V 5 m Sept 27 1906 30267 Manhattan P452
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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby suziwag » 17 Aug 2011, 14:40

I want to thank all that replied to my post. Yes, I totally agree I am at a difficult point. I have tried all that was mentioned- census, dreaft, deaths, naturalizations. He came at a time when records were not as revealing as they were with Ellis Island.

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Postby Paolo47 » 18 Aug 2011, 00:04

Just wanted to say I saw a couple of manifest for Plango on the Ellis island site
and these Plango were from Teggiano, Salerno. They may or may not be a relation to
Nicholas Patrick, but I wanted to suggest the following....

If you haven't done this, take the following information
http://tinyurl.com/3m5up26
to a Family History Center
https://www.familysearch.org/locations
and see what you can find out.

The cost is minimal and well worth the time spent.

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Postby johnnyonthespot » 18 Aug 2011, 00:35

Carmine

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby GeneaGuru » 31 Aug 2011, 19:17

New leads are found - including the 1880 census record. Please see your private message.

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2011, 19:09

Considering that Nicholas was born on 1875 and emigrated on 1877 and that his mother's first name was Vittoria, what about this 1880 census?

1880 United States Federal Census

Name: Luigi Pilanchi
Home in 1880: New York City, New York, New York
Age: 56
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1824
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of Household: Self (Head)
Spouse's Name: Victorie Pilanchi
Father's birthplace: Italy
Mother's birthplace: Italy
Neighbors: View others on page
Occupation: Scissor-Sharpener
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Cannot read/write:
Blind:
Deaf and dumb:
Otherwise disabled:
Idiotic or insane:
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Household Members:
Name Age
Luigi Pilanchi 56 head, born in IT,
Victorie Pilanchi 41 wife, born in Italy
Nicolini Pilanchi 5 son, born in Italy
Jose Pilanchi 1 son, born in NY
Clementine Pilanchi 12 daughter, born in NY

and possible 1878 arrival manifest for Vittoria and son?

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Vittoria Tasillo
Arrival Date: 13 Jul 1878
Birth Year: abt 1839
Age: 39
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Liverpool, England and Queenstown, Ireland
Destination: United States of America
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: Germanic
Search Ship Database:
Search the Germanic in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database

Vittoria was travelling with Nicolino, infant male...

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby pink67 » 04 Sep 2011, 20:09

Just my opinion, but I think that the correct lastname was Palangio...

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby Essgee » 05 Sep 2011, 01:07

Both the surname Palangio and the surname Tasillo are found in the town of Frosolone in what was then the Campobasso region of Molise. The films that cover the civil records from 1809 to 1899 are available through the Family History Library. Check http://www.familysearch.org The civill records are birth, death, and marriage records for the town.

This would be a good place to start.

Great work on the part of everyone...Laura, great find!

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby pink67 » 05 Sep 2011, 10:10

Grazie Essge...

Just to have a confirmation of the correct lastname I would advice the poster to do also another search..
I noticed on the 1900 census for Nicholas that Edna stated that she was mother of three children among whom only one living (Muriel), then I searched for possible births and deaths of the two other children and one record took my attention:

New York City Births, 1891-1902

Name: Angela Palange
Birth Date: 12 Jan 1897
Birth Place: New York, New York
Certificate Number: 3859

Death: Palange Angiolina 18 m Aug 1 1898 Certificate number: 21171 County Manhattan

Maybe this record worth to be investigated better...

Suziwag, you can contact your nearest Family History Center and ask them to rent these microfilms:

for the birth:

Title Manhattan birth certificates, 1866-1897; birth index cards, 1866- 1897
Authors New York (New York). Department of Health (Main Author)

Birth certificates no. 2076-5050 / 1897 / FHL US/CAN Film 1322347

for the death:

Title Manhattan death certificates, 1866-1919 ; index, 1868-1890 : Works Projects Administration, project no. 265-1-97-28; Work project no. 1
Authors New York (New York). Department of Health (Main Author)

Certificate no. 19601, Catherine Mace, July 18m 1898 - certificate no. 22150, Percy Cameron, Aug. 10, 1898
FHL US/CAN Film 1322947

If the parents names on these certificates match with Nicholas and Edna then the lastname was Palangio for sure and the research on italian records can go on....

Link to find the nearest Family History Center:
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... et_fhc.asp

Laura

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Re: I can't get anywhere eith my Italian great grandfather

Postby suziwag » 09 Mar 2012, 20:11

I want to thank all that gave me help and tips as to where to find info on Plango. Of course as we well know, there was no such spelling. The Spelling was so massacred each and every time someone recorded it.
I went with some leads that yall gave me and I finally found him.
He was a Plangio. He was from the town of Fosolone, Italy.
I ordered the recrds from the LDS and found his birth name to be Angelo Marie. Vittoria Tsillo was his mother and when she traveled here, he was Nicolini on the ship with here.
Over here Nicholas's last name went from Palangio, to Pilanchi, to Palaccia and Plango.
Thank You all for the help.


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