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Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 27 Aug 2011, 21:36

I am looking for information on Giuseppe and Carmella Amato. They came together with a baby on The Vancouver and landed in Boston on 6-1-1902. They moved to Hartford, Ct. and had 6 more children. Carmella was murdered in July, 1912 and Giuseppe moved to British Columbia. They were not counted in the 1910 census. She was from Serra San Bruno, Calabria. I do not know where he was from. I wrote away to Serra San Bruno and there was no record of a marriage. Where do I go from here.
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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 02:50

Hello and welcome! :D

I have located the ship manifest for the "Vancouver" arriving Boston, Massachusetts on June 1, 1902...

On line 4 is passenger GIUSEPPE AMATA
He is age 18 and SINGLE
His destination is Cleveland, OHIO to his brother-in-law Calogero Lasana.

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Are you sure about the information you have listed above?

If this is your Giuseppe, maybe he and Carmella married in US...
If he was going to OHIO, then maybe that is where they married.
Do you know Carmella's maiden name? Maybe we can find her manifest...

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 02:54

OK... here is a birth listed in Ohio in 1907...

Name: Giuseppe Amata
Gender: Male
Baptism/Christening Date:
Baptism/Christening Place:
Birth Date: 08 Oct 1907
Birthplace: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Death Date:
Name Note:
Race:
Father's Name: Guiseppe Amata
Father's Birthplace:
Father's Age:
Mother's Name: Carmela Musarra Amata
Mother's Birthplace:
Mother's Age:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: I06962-1
System Origin: Ohio-EASy
Source Film Number: 1877982
Reference Number:

Looks like Carmella's maiden name was "Musarra" :-)

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 03:03

Here is the death of a child of Joseph Amato and Carmella Musarra...
Looks like it died in birth :(

HOWEVER, the date is 1915...so Carmella could not have been murdered in 1912 as you stated... if this is the family you seek. (All of this based on your Giuseppe being on the ship Vancouver, and arriving June 1, 1902...

Name: Amato
Titles & Terms:
Death Date: 15 Jun 1915
Death Place: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, Ohio
Birth Date: 15 Jun 1915
Estimated Birth Year:
Birthplace: Oh
Death Age:
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Single
Race or Color: Caucasian
Street Address: 1713 Orange St 12 Ward
Occupation:
Residence: Cleveland, Cuyahoga, OH
Burial Date: 15 Jun 1915
Burial Place:
Cemetery Name: Calvary
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Joseph Amato
Father's Title & Terms:
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Name: Commvella Muserra
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Film Number: 1983425
Digital Folder Number: 4021334
Image Number: 858
Certificate Number: fn 32456

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 28 Aug 2011, 22:35

I guess the couple who came over on the Vancouver are not who I thought they were. Carmella's maiden name is Amato and Giuseppe used that name too, but I have no idea if he took her name or if he just happened to have the same surname. The most definitely did not live in Ohio. The murder and his business were in Hartford.

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 22:56

OK, thanks for clarifying...
We'll see what we can find.

Do you have an approx. date of birth for Giuseppe and Carmella?
Name of the child and approx. date of birth?

BTW - not uncommon for bride and groom to have same surname... :-)

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 23:10

Found this in a Family Tree owned by "sandraloveday70" on Ancestry.

Carmella AMATO

Birth in , , , Italy X
Death in Revelstoke, , British Columbia, Canada
Spouse: Giuseppe Amato
Child: Ellen Jean Amato

It this the family?

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 28 Aug 2011, 23:21

Giuseppe was said to be about 40 in 1912, so he was born around 1872. Carmella was said to be about 3 years younger, so she was born around 1875. Giuseppe murdered Carmella in July 1912. he escaped to British Columbia and the above reference to death in Revelstoke is actually Giuseppe's obituary. I am curious if they did marry. I know they did not marry in her hometown of Serra San Bruno. I wrote to the town hall there and they responded. I also want to know when they cam over and what was his home town. I gather they came with a baby, Giuseppe, Jr. But he died within a year of moving to Hartford. Their next child, Theresa, was born in late 1903 or early 1904. Thanks for all your help.

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Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 23:27

OK... found manifest for Carmela and daughter Teresa :-)

Arriving NY 1904 Nov 24 on SS Lombardia
Maria Carmela Amata, age 32 (born about 1872) from Serra San Bruno
Traveling with daughter Maria Teresa, age 5
Going to Hartford, Conn.
To husband Giuseppe Amato, 518 Asylum St., Hartford, Conn.

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 28 Aug 2011, 23:37

Carmela and Teresa..That is them! Now, if I can figure out when Giuseppe came over. The Asylum St address is right. Thanks! That death notice in BC is odd. Maybe another Carmela and Giuseppe Amato.

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby Tessa78 » 28 Aug 2011, 23:43

drbdrdeb wrote:Carmela and Teresa..That is them! Now, if I can figure out when Giuseppe came over. The Asylum St address is right. Thanks! That death notice in BC is odd. Maybe another Carmela and Giuseppe Amato.


Are you sure he came into the Port of Boston?
What was his occupation?

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 28 Aug 2011, 23:53

He may have come into NY since we now know his wife came into NY. He was a barber.

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 29 Aug 2011, 00:51

There is another Giuseppe Amato from
Serra San Bruno who came over about the same time. That is Carmella's brother who settled in Newark.

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Aug 2011, 01:48

There are quite a few Giuseppe Amatoon the passenger lists.
However, I can't make the connection to Carmela or Teresa with any of them. :-(

What can you tell me about the child Giuseppe, Jr?
born when, where, died when, where?

You say that Teresa was the second child and born in 1903 or 1904...
We can see from the above manifest that she was 5 in 1904...putting her DOB about 1899.
If she was the second child, Giuseppe would have been born before 1899...
Could the family have come earlier, and Carmela went back to Italy after the death of Giuseppe Jr? Then Teresa born shortly after, and they returned? Just a thought :-D

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Re: Capocasale, Sestito, Amato families.

Postby drbdrdeb » 29 Aug 2011, 20:21

Tessa, You are a dear to stick with this. On the manifest, I read Teresa's age as 5 months. Am I wrong? It is my understanding that Teresa was 8 in 1912, at the time of her mother's death. There were only a year or two between each of the 6 children who were alive at that time. It was my understanding that Giuseppe Jr. came over with his parents and died in an accident at the age of 2 soon after. Then they had 5 girls. The next child was a boy and he, too was named Giuseppe Jr, although he grew up with the name Jimmy. It seems likely that Carmella may have gone home to be with her mother or something like that for the birth of her second child, then came back.


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