Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Are you looking for an Italian surname? Do you need more information about your family heritage?
This is the right place to start your genealogy search.
User avatar
LeandraCat
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 209
Joined: 15 Feb 2011, 15:52

Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby LeandraCat » 29 Aug 2011, 14:21

Hi all,

I have been looking at Racalmuto birth records and found something interesting. I have never seen this on ANY other birth record for Racalmuto or other towns. A baby boy was born and under his name, it says FIGLIO NATURALE. Why would it say that?

Thanks!
Julia

EDITED: Ok, I just found another birth record for these same parents, and again it says FIGLIO NATURALE. I just searched and found out this means ILLEGITEMATE child, but why would it say that if BOTH parents are clearly listed??!

User avatar
johnnyonthespot
Master
Master
Posts: 5229
Joined: 04 Aug 2008, 15:01
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby johnnyonthespot » 29 Aug 2011, 14:34

LeandraCat wrote:...
I just searched and found out this means ILLEGITEMATE child, but why would it say that if BOTH parents are clearly listed??!


I believe it means the parents were unmarried. Depending on the year and location, this may indicate the parents were (or were not) married in the eyes of the church, but had not had the proper civil ceremony as well.

Are these birth records timely - that is, were these births recorded within 48 hours of actual birth, or weeks/years later?

Does the section showing the mother's name indicate "sua legittima moglie" (his lawful wife) as is typically seen?
Carmine

My hobby is finding things. Having found most of my own, I am happy to help others find theirs. PM me! :)

User avatar
LeandraCat
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 209
Joined: 15 Feb 2011, 15:52

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby LeandraCat » 29 Aug 2011, 14:39

I wish I could post the records for you, but it is saying the quota for attachments has been reached!

In one of the records, after the mother's name it says: "non coniugata" or something like that.

User avatar
johnnyonthespot
Master
Master
Posts: 5229
Joined: 04 Aug 2008, 15:01
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby johnnyonthespot » 29 Aug 2011, 14:46

LeandraCat wrote:I wish I could post the records for you, but it is saying the quota for attachments has been reached!

In one of the records, after the mother's name it says: "non coniugata" or something like that.


Not married.

The board has a very small limit on files which can be posted directly. Instead, use an image hosting site like imageshack or, my favorite, http://postimage.org (no ads or annoying pop-ups; account not required).

Using postimage.org, click the Browse button and find the image file on your drive. Click the Family Safe radio button, then Upload. After uploading has completed, click the Copy to Clipboard button alongside "Thumbnail for Forums (1)". Return to this forum and paste the link (Ctrl-V) into your message.
Carmine

My hobby is finding things. Having found most of my own, I am happy to help others find theirs. PM me! :)

User avatar
LeandraCat
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 209
Joined: 15 Feb 2011, 15:52

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby LeandraCat » 29 Aug 2011, 14:56

Grrr, all the image hosting sites are blocked for me at work.
Anyway, I think you answered my question...so they were NOT officially married! Wow! Ok, so the 1884 birth record says FIGLIO NATURALE and the 1885 one, but they also had a daughter in 1876 and that one doesn't say FIGLIO NATURALE, although it still says NON CONIUGATA....

This is odd. Did this happen a lot back then? Did they just not have a Church ceremony, is that it?

User avatar
johnnyonthespot
Master
Master
Posts: 5229
Joined: 04 Aug 2008, 15:01
Location: Connecticut, USA

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby johnnyonthespot » 29 Aug 2011, 15:05

Again, I think much depended on the time and location. In Trafford R. Cole's Italian Genealogical Records: How to Use Italian Civil, Ecclesiastical & Other Records in Family History Research on page 19, he states:

Image
free image hosting

http://books.google.com/books?id=i_qgMMOuWCgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=italian+genealogy+trafford+cole&hl=en&ei=_IxbTqi3BuO10AH1jvmTCQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=italian%20genealogy%20trafford%20cole&f=false
Carmine

My hobby is finding things. Having found most of my own, I am happy to help others find theirs. PM me! :)

User avatar
LeandraCat
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 209
Joined: 15 Feb 2011, 15:52

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby LeandraCat » 29 Aug 2011, 15:11

Got it! Thank you :)

Sandyctx
Newbie
Newbie
Posts: 1
Joined: 29 Aug 2011, 22:28

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby Sandyctx » 30 Aug 2011, 23:47

It means that the parents were not married, that they just lived together. Many children, from many past generations have the same "label" on their birth certificates.

User avatar
LeandraCat
Veteran
Veteran
Posts: 209
Joined: 15 Feb 2011, 15:52

Re: Something strange on a Racalmuto birth record...

Postby LeandraCat » 01 Sep 2011, 12:27

Thanks! :)


Return to “Italian Genealogy”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Baidu [Spider], Bing [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], n_wen and 12 guests