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Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby fusedglass » 01 Sep 2011, 01:48

hello: i have tried various search engines, archival links, etc. My grandmother's name was Velia Unti, born 1898, Manhattan NY. She married Italo Unti (cannot find marriage record), we believe in the United States and more specifically, Seattle, WA.... The problem is Velia's maiden name, as the story is Parisi was shortened to Paris in America. Her father, Paolo Parisi, married Isaura (do not know maiden name) but it may be that Velia is the daughter from a previous marriage of Isaura's. Can anyone help me find her birth certificate and/or marriage record? She died 1999, Mill Valley, CA. Grazie.....carla

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby adelfio » 02 Sep 2011, 14:43

Hi Carla
Is this the 1930 United States Federal Census Record for Italo Unti from 1930 lines 62-66 according to the census they where married about 1920
Home in 1930:San Anselmo, Marin, California
Household Members:
Italo Unti
Velia Unti
Elena Unti
Neva Unti
Gloria Unti
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 02 Sep 2011, 14:54

Possibly Italo's naturalization index:

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With the info on this card, you can request Italo's naturalization documents from the National Archives; $7.50 for non-certified copies, $22.50 for certified. The documents may or may not show Velia's maiden name; will definitely show her date of birth.

If interested, start here https://eservices.archives.gov/orderonline/start.swe?SWECmd=Start&SWEHo=eservices.archives.gov and go ahead and create an account on the right. Next, click "Order Reproductions" and then "Immigration & Naturalization Records"

Response time is often less than two weeks; and there is no charge if they do not locate the record.

When completing the order form, you may encounter fields which demand you enter something even though you don't have the information available; just put X's or 9's in those fields and continue; use the comment box at the bottom of the form for additional details. Be sure to give a valid daytime contact phone number as the archivist will often call in order to verify information or provide additional guidance.
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Postby adelfio » 02 Sep 2011, 14:55

Also 1920 with census butch job of there name lines 14 and 15

1920 United States Federal Census Record for Italo Abuti married to Velia living in Washington > King > Seattle > District 226

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby johnnyonthespot » 02 Sep 2011, 15:36

fusedglass wrote:name was Velia Unti, born 1898, Manhattan NY.
She married Italo Unti
She died 1999, Mill Valley, CA.


Carla, how certain are you of these facts?

Because she died recently, it should be a simple matter to find her in the social security death index http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi but I am striking out.

If we can find her there, you could order her original SS application which should show her date and place of birth as well as her maiden name...
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Postby johnnyonthespot » 02 Sep 2011, 16:12

Here you can see that Velia filed a petition for naturalization (#12165); you should be able to get this from NARA (info in previous post). Once again, this petition should definitely show her maiden name and date of birth.

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Now, here is the odd thing: if she was born in New York, why is she naturalizing?

Why is she listed as an "alien" ("AL") in the 1920 census? Why, in 1920 does she say her father was Italian, mother born in New York, but in 1930 she says she and both parents were born in NY?

Okay - they married in about 1920 (see 1930 census, "Age at first marriage" column). According to the laws in place at that time, a US citizen female who married a foreign citizen automatically lost her US citizenship (she gained Italian citizenship at that time); this changed with the passage of the Cable Act in 1922.

Apparently at some later date she filed papers to once again gain US citizenship, this time through naturalization.
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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby fusedglass » 03 Sep 2011, 04:04

thank you so much everyone.....genealogy search is like trying to dig a hold in dry beach sand....i really appreciate your time and effort to help me. I found out that Paul Paris (originally Paolo Parisi) born 1873 Pisa (we think), died 1948 in San Francisco. He was my great grandfather and HIS father's name was Parisi and his mother's maiden name was Bertoni. Well, I digress......i will start looking into the above responses about my grandmother. Grazie.

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 17:30

Her father, Paolo Parisi, married Isaura (do not know maiden name) but it may be that Velia is the daughter from a previous marriage of Isaura's
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Maybe this 1911 census of Canada is helpful:

1911 Census of Canada

Name: Paul Paris
Gender: Male
Marital Status: Married
Age: 38
Birth Date: Mar 1873
Birthplace:Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Lizzie Paris
Immigration Year: 1903
Tribal: Italian
Province: British Columbia
District: Vancouver
District Number: 12
Sub-District: Vancouver City
Sub-District Number: 31
Place of Habitation: 1653 Napier
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Paul Paris 38 head born in Italy on may 1873
Lizzie Paris 35 wife, born in USA on October 1875
Velia Paris 13 daughter, born in USA on December 1897
Ettie Paris 7 daughter, born in USA on September 1903

Have you noticed that on the Petition for the naturalization of Paul Paris he listed his daguhters's birthdates?

Velia born in NY on 14 december 1897
Ettie born in NY on 15 september 1903

He stated also that his wife's name was Helen born on 15 july 1888, marriage date January 1923 in New York (possible a second marriage?)

possible second marriage from the site:

http://www.italiangen.org/vitalreclist.stm

Paris Paul Jan 24 1923 Manhattan Certificate number 10846
Campbell Helen Jan 24 1923 Manhattan Certificate number 10846

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 18:18

Isaura's maiden name was Galletti...
I found on this site her death dates:

http://www.vitalsearch-ca.com/gen/ca/_v ... deathm.htm

Paris Isaura died at the age of 43 on the day .?. december 1921 in the Los Angeles County, her husband initial were P P - State File Number 46830

On the site Findagrave someone created a memorial for her:

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... 26&df=all&

Isaura Galletti Paris
Memorial Photos Flowers Edit
Learn about sponsoring this memorial...

Birth: unknown
Death: 1921

Crypt 1289

12-1921

Burial:
Hollywood Forever Cemetery
Hollywood
Los Angeles County
California, USA
Plot: Cathedral Mausoleum

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Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 18:22

Looks like that the real name of Paul Paris was Pericle Pellegrini, this record is the marriage record between Paul and Isaura from the site familysearch.org:

New York Marriages, 1686-1980

Groom's Name: Pericle Pellegrini
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Isaura Galletti
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 20 Mar 1897
Marriage Place: Manhattan, New York, New York
Groom's Father's Name: Pietro
Groom's Mother's Name: Crosola Bertoni
Bride's Father's Name: Francesco
Bride's Mother's Name: Oleiva Felicchia
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M00829-4
System Origin: New_York-ODM
Source Film Number: 1487628
Reference Number:

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 18:28

from the site Ancestry.com the birth dates of velia:

New York City Births, 1891-1902

Name: Veglia Pellegrini
Birth Date: 14 Dec 1897
Birth Place: New York, New York
Certificate Number: 52441

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 19:14

Found out that Isaura Galletti (Veglia's mother) was born in Italy and not in NY. There is a 1890 NY arrival manifest showing Oliva Galletti, age 44, travelling with Isaura female age 14, Guglielmo male age 11, Luigi male age 9, Jona? male age 5:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957

Name: Oliva Galletti
Arrival Date: 20 Oct 1890
Birth Year: abt 1846
Age: 44
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Place of Origin: Italy
Port of Departure: Le Havre, France
Destination: New York
Port of Arrival: New York
Port Arrival State: New York
Port Arrival Country: United States
Ship Name: La Bourgogne
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Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 19:33

Possible death dates for Isaura's parents:

Galletti Oliva 89 y Apr 4 1931 Certificate number: 9757 County Manhattan

Galletti Francisco 73 y Mar 15 1917 Certificate number: 9216 County Manhattan

and 1910 census for them:

United States Census, 1910

Name: Francesco Galletti
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Manhattan Ward 15, New York, New York
Marital Status: Married
Race : White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1889
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Family Number: 154
Page Number: 7
Household Gender Age
Francesco Galletti M 65y
Spouse Olivia Galletti F 65y

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.2/9 ... _583901228


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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby pink67 » 03 Sep 2011, 19:36

In the case that you want request the marriage act for Isaura:

Galletti Isaura Mar 20 1897 Manhattan Certificate number: 4984
Pellegrini Pericle Mar 20 1897 Manhattan Certificate number: 4984

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Re: Help with grandmother's birth certificate please

Postby fusedglass » 04 Sep 2011, 17:01

oh. my. goodness. my jaw is wide open......i just read all this newly found information. need time to pick up my jaw from the floor. thank you everyone, again, for your help, in my search.


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