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Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby sandi68 » 17 Oct 2011, 21:50

Hello, I am tracing ancestors with the name Vivian / Viviano; possibly from the Torino region. I do know that some came to England. would anyone know where to start looking.
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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby adelfio » 18 Oct 2011, 13:00

Welcome Sandra to the website How about some family info names and dates?
Did they come to US also?

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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby RussoTiesi » 18 Oct 2011, 22:34

Although I don't have any specific information on your ancestors, I would recommend a terrific nonfiction book, Blood Washes Blood, by Frank Viviano. It recounts his search for the truth about his Sicilian great-grandfather, also named Frank Viviano.
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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby sandi68 » 19 Oct 2011, 17:07

Hello, thank you for your replies; its a little confusing and I am working my wway through some information. I do know one ancestor was the first organ grinder!! As far as I am aware they did not travel to the US, only to the north of England. The following has been sent to me from my Aunt:-

hi sandra well hear goes francisco viviani of pandon dene, his father was giovanni viviani from
borghetto di vara .la spezia region of italy, he married margaistar rizeri also from pandon dean
this is wife before our great grandmother, there first daughter angelina born feb 1863. i have the birth
cert but not her death cert. 1867 he was married to our great gran teressa savifare have baptisam
cert of john baphista viviani he is my grandads eldist brother he married september 1889 an died december the same year
have baptism of angelina our grandas eldist sister she is the second of that name which i
think that the first angelina by his first wife did die have cert of angelina marrage to stephano marsnghi her father was
francisco viviani 1891 of north shields have copy of my grandas birth cert borghetto di vara is the home of
my great great grandfarther next stop ITALY!

If anyone can understand any of that I would be very grateful.

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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby Tessa78 » 19 Oct 2011, 17:55

Hi Sandi :-)

Here is a 1881 England Census you might find interesting...

Family of Francisco Viviani, age 45, street musician, born in Italy...


1881 England Census


Name: Francisco Viviani
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Italy
Civil parish: Newcastle On Tyne All Sts
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England
Street Address: 15 Trafalger St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Street Musician
Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 5a
Neighbors: View others on page
Piece: 5062
Folio: 145
Page Number: 18
Household Members:
Name Age
Francisco Viviani 45
Teresa Viviani 38 [b](could be the "great gran teressa savifare" mentioned above)

John Viviani 14 (Giovanni? maybe named after Francisco's father?) Could this be the "john battista viviani" who died in Dec. 1889?
Angelina Viviani 7 (could be the Angelina mentioned above - "there first daughter angelina born feb 1863") though date is off :?
Rosa Viviani 3
Joseph Viviani 1[/b]

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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby Tessa78 » 19 Oct 2011, 18:21

On the 1901 England Census...

Listed as FRANCIS VIVIAN
Age 65, street musician (organ), born in Italy
Wife is THERESA
Living with him:
daughter ANGELLINA MARENGHI
granddaugher MARIA MARENGHI
son-in-law STEPHEN MARENGI (on the first line of the next page of the census)

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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby Tessa78 » 19 Oct 2011, 18:28

Though there is no mention on the above records where Francisco (Francesco) was born, if you think your aunt may be correct about his father's birthplace, you can write directly to the comune of Borghetto di Vara in province of La Spezia to request a search for Francesco's his birth record.

Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Umberto I, 3
19020 Borghetto di Vara (SP)
ITALY


Write your request in Italian.
Help at these sites:
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... talrecords
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby adelfio » 19 Oct 2011, 18:39

If Tessa's info is good because if Francisco Viviani born abt 1836 his dad was probally born in 1805-1815 era. You would have to email or write to Borghetto di Vara to find out how far there records go back
Borghetto di Vara email bottom of the page of town website
click for town website
http://www.comunediborghettodivara.net/
Mi chiamo (YOURNAME). Sto facendo una ricerca sui miei antenati e ho biosgno delle informazioni dai vostri registri.
I miei antenati provennero da Borghetto di Vara. Vorrei sapere di più di loro.
Potreste cercare l’atto di nascita di questa persona nei vostri registri da 1835 fino al 1838. Nome e cognome: Francseco Viviani
Luogo di nascita: Borghetto di Vara
Nome e cognome del padre: Giovanni Viviani
Nome e cognome della madre: uncerto
Se non avete i registri corrispondenti, potete fornire l’indirizzo dell’archivio dove in cui i registri possano essere trovati?
Vi ringrazio in anticipo per il vostro gentilezza e premura.
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Re: Vivian / Viviani surname

Postby sandi68 » 20 Oct 2011, 11:47

Wow, that is absoloutely amazing! Thank you. I will pass all that information on to my aunt. Thank you x


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