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Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby kat2412 » 24 Oct 2011, 20:35

Hello,

I am searching for my GGF Vincent (Vincenzo) Mistretta. Specifically, I am looking for passenger list records. I haven't been very successful finding any records of him on my own other than a WWI draft card. He came over as a boy -- maybe 12? With his aunt Joesphine Mistretta. Any help finding this record, or any documents would be appreciated. He was born April 17th, 1890 in Mistretta (though documents may say Palermo) which means he may have immigrated around 1902 -- I believe he came in though New Orleans, La. but I'm not positive. He left from Palermo I believe and if he didn't come into the US through the port of New Orleans, I know he lived there for many years and then moved to the Bryan/Navasota, Texas area and then later Houston, Texas. Thanks in advance for lending me your time and resources :D

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby Tessa78 » 24 Oct 2011, 23:23

Hi :-)

Have posted a manifest on the other thread for Vincenzo Mistretta, age 13, arriving in 1882 to Port of New Orleans. Last residence listed as Palermo.

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby kat2412 » 24 Oct 2011, 23:35

Hi Tessa78 -- thank you for this document and for looking for this for me. But based on the info I have, I don't think this is the right Vincent Mistretta. We know that he was born in Mistretta April 17, 1890 so it seems this Vincent Mistretta is too old to be correct. But I will double-check the dates to be sure. We also know that he came over with Josephine Mistretta so I believe her name would be on the manifest also. Thank you so much!

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 25 Oct 2011, 12:03

Hi by this recors seeming that your Vincenzo(Vincent) was born in 1890:

Name: Vincent Mistretta
Death Date: 28 Dec 1969
Death Place: Houston, Harris, Texas
Gender: Male
Race:
Death Age: 79 years
Estimated Birth Date: 1890
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Marital Status:
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Carmello Mistretta
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name: Rosie
Mother's Birthplace:
Occupation:
Place of Residence:
Cemetery:
Burial Place:
Burial Date:
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2218603
Digital Film Number: 4168887
Image Number: 764
Reference Number: 87633

Name: Vincent Mistretta
Event: Military
Event Date: 1942
Event Place: Houston, Harris, Texas
Residence: Houston, Harris, Texas
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1890
Film Number: 4151135
Digital Folder Number: 4151135
Image Number: 00129
(birthplace: Palermo, town or province??)

but by this other record the birthyear is 1887:
U.S. Social Security Death Index for Vincent Mistretta

First Name: Vincent
Middle Name:
Last Name: Mistretta
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 17 April 1887
Social Security Number: XXXXXXXXXXX
Place of Issuance: Texas
Last Residence: Harris, Texas
Zip Code of Last Residence: 77028
Death Date: December 1969
Estimated Age at Death: 82

and by this record the 1887 seeming correct:

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918
about Vincent Mistretta Name: Vincent Mistretta
City: New Orleans
County: Orleans
State: Louisiana
Birthplace: Italy
Birth Date: 17 Apr 1887
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 1684819
DraftBoard: 2

naturalized, born in Palermo, wife and 2 children...
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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 25 Oct 2011, 16:53

again me:
I believe that this 1920 census is abt your ancestor:
United States Census, 1920
Name: Vincent Mistrato
Residence: , Orleans, Louisiana
Estimated Birth Year: 1888
Age: 32
Birthplace: Louisiana
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Married
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Film Number: 1820618
Digital Folder Number: 4300973
Image Number: 00683
Sheet Number: 2
Household Gender Age
Vincent Mistrato M 32y
Spouse Mary Mistrato F 24y
Child Mary Mistrato F 6y
Child Rosie Mistrato F 3y
Child Lucy Mistrato F 2y
Child Carmello Mistrato M 1m

he declared Louisiana as birthplace instead I am a bit sure that it is your ancestor and born in Italy...

Rosie died very soon:
Name: Rosie Mistrete
Death Date: 27 Jan 1928
Death Place: Houston, Harris, Texas
Gender: Female
Race: White
Death Age: 12 years 4 months 27 days
Estimated Birth Date:
Birth Date: 30 Aug 1915
Birthplace: New Orleans, La.
Marital Status: Single
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Vincent Mistrete
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Name: Mary Greco
Mother's Birthplace: Texas
Occupation:
Place of Residence: Houston, Texas
Cemetery: Holy Cross Cemetery
Burial Place:
Burial Date: 29 Jan 1928
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2114437
Digital Film Number: 4165524
Image Number: 1973
Reference Number: certificate # 2381


1930 census:
1930 United States Federal Census
about Vincent Misthata
Name: Vincent Misthata
Home in 1930: Precinct 1, Harris, Texas
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Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Birthplace: Italy
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Misthata
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Vincent Misthata 40
Mary Misthata 34
Mary J Misthata 17
Lucy Misthata 12
Carmelle Misthata 10
Ross Misthata 8
Virginia Misthata 6
Pearl Misthata 4
Sam Misthata 3 4/12
Lena Misthata 9/12

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby kat2412 » 26 Oct 2011, 04:26

Thank you Suanj! I would never have been able to find these records because of all the misspellings! Thank you again so much. If I could solicit you a bit further, would you happen to know where I can find passenger lists for immigrants coming from Palermo into the port of New Orleans in the early 1900's? Vincent Mistretta came here with Josephine Mistretta. Tessa found a Vincent Mistretta on a manifest but I don't think it is the right Vincent Mistretta. Thank you for everything.

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 26 Oct 2011, 06:30

Hi,
by WWI draft registration card Vincent declared that he was naturalized; in 1920 census he declared that was born in Louisiana; in 1930 he was a alien...
in New Orleans arrivals I cannot find it, but if we find the naturalization, if he naturalized effectively, we can descover when he arrived...

here the Mistrettas arrived in USA until 1900:
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/aad.php?db= ... ction=desc

but no helpful abt your Vincent...
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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 26 Oct 2011, 16:39

Hi, searching abt your Vincent/Vincenzo Mistretta, I believe that when he arrived in USA, the final destination was not New Orleans, LA, but the Texas...
In effects Mary Greco, Vincent wife, she was born in Texas, and I believe they married in Texas....
more: Mary Greco lived in Brazos co. TX; here the 1910 census:

Name: Mary Greco
Birthplace: Texas
Relationship to Head of Household: Daughter
Residence: Justice Precinct 4, Brazos, Texas
Marital Status: Single
Race : White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year:
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Family Number: 310
Page Number: 17
Household Gender Age
Parent Rosa Greco F 60y b. in Italy
Sam Greco M 20y b. in Louisiana
Peter Greco M 19y b. in TX
Mary Greco F 14y ditto


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In 1910 census was also in same place( census date 7 may 1910( the date is helpful for to be better idea abt Vincent/Charley father death):

1910 United States Federal Census
Name: Charley Mistreta
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Self
Residence: Justice Precinct 4, Brazos, Texas
Marital Status: Single
Race : White
Gender: Male

Immigration Year: 1894
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Family Number: 324
Page Number: 18
Household Gender Age
Charley Mistreta M 21y
Mary Mistreta F 15y sister b. in Italy
Frank Mistreta M 10y brother ( b. in TX)


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Well, I have no doubts that this Charley Mistretta is your Vincent/Vincenzo Mistretta... that used Charley first name...

in effects the family lived in Brazos Co, TX also in 1900 census:

1900 United States Federal Census about Charly Misitret
Name: Charly Misitret ( Carmelo Mistretta italian name)
[Owen Misetret]
Home in 1900: Justice Precinct 5, Brazos, Texas
[Brazos, Texas]
Age: 45
Birth Date: Feb 1855
Birthplace: Italy
Race: White
Gender: Male
Immigration Year: 1893
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Spouse's Name: Mary Misitret
Marriage year: 1882
Marital Status: Married
Years married: 18
Occupation: View on Image

Neighbors: View others on page

Household Members: Name Age
Charly Misitret
45
Mary Misitret
35
Rosa Misitret
15
Charly Misitret
12 b. May 1888 Italy ( right: apr. 1887)

Marie Misitret
5
Frank Misitret
4

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the ages as a well the birth months are no rights completely, but I am sure that this is your Vincent Mistretta....

Carmelo/Charley died in 1910:
Name: Chas Mistrata
Death Date: 12 Apr 1910
Death Place: Bryan, Brazos, Texas
Gender: Male
Race: White
Death Age: About 57 years
Estimated Birth Date: 1853
Birth Date:
Birthplace: Sicily
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name:
Father's Name: Chas Mistrata
Father's Birthplace: Sicily
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace: Sicily
Occupation: Farmer
Place of Residence:
Cemetery: Catholic
Burial Place: Bryan, Texas
Burial Date: 12 Apr 1910
Additional Relatives:
Film Number: 2050279
Digital Film Number: 4165848
Image Number: 2223
Reference Number: 15384


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really Chas/Carmelo Mistretta was born around 1855/6 and I believe that really the family emigrated in USA in 1894; I know not if I am correct, but I believe that I am correct, because nobody Vincenzo Mistretta came with a Josephine/Mistretta... I am sure abt that;
instead I am positive that Vincenzo Mistretta came with parents and sisters:
Rosalia aka Rose Mistretta married at Frank/Francesco Penino(spell?):
Groom's Name: Francisco Penino
Groom's Birth Date:
Groom's Birthplace:
Groom's Age:
Bride's Name: Rosa Mistreta
Bride's Birth Date:
Bride's Birthplace:
Bride's Age:
Marriage Date: 22 Nov 1902
Marriage Place: Brazos, Texas
Groom's Father's Name:
Groom's Mother's Name:
Bride's Father's Name:
Bride's Mother's Name:
Groom's Race:
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife's Name:
Bride's Race:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband's Name:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: M75205-0

System Origin: Texas-EASy
Source Film Number: 1020035
Reference Number: p 249

and Maria that in 1910 lived with brothers; the little Frank Mistretta was born in TX and not in Italy;

so, if I am correct, this must be the arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Carmels Mistretta
Name: Carmels Mistretta(Carmelo Mistretta)
Arrival Date: 28 Apr 1894
Birth Year: abt 1856
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Letimbro

with:
wife Maria age 32,
daughter Rosalia age 8,
son Vincenzo( is listed as female but is male) age 7,
daughter Maria age 2

all coming from Roccapalumba ( small village in Palermo province, Sicily, IT); map: http://maps.google.it/maps?hl=it&sugexp ... a=N&tab=wl

final destination: Bryan, TX

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Again: if my search is right, you can find Vincenzo Mistretta birth act by LDS microfilms:

Registri dello stato civile di Roccapalumba (Palermo), 1821-1910 Roccapalumba (Palermo). Ufficio dello stato civile
Births, deaths, marriages, marriage banns, records of citizenship, and documents attached to records from the civil registration office in Roccapalumba (Palermo). Some registries include an index. Text in Italian.
http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... +Roccapalu &columns=*,0,0

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby kat2412 » 01 Nov 2011, 21:11

Hi Suanj!

Where would we all be without you? Sorry for the late response but I've been looking into all of the information you provided and it seems like you are 100% correct. It's going to make getting documents difficult with all the name and date changes :( but we will see. I had one last question for you. I assume Vincent was born in Roccapalumba and I'd like to find his birth certificate there. You helped me once before to get a birth certificate from Bisacquino that arrived 3 weeks later! Here is what you sent me and I've filled in the parts with Vincent's info. I do not know if Vincent's mother's name is Maria or Rosie because there are records that say both. Though, on the boat manifest her name is Maria but I cannot read the last name that is different from Mistretta. Also, I do not know when Mary Greco and Vincent Mistretta were married so I deleted that part of it. Would you take a look at my letter to make sure it makes sense and that I've provided enough information? Also maybe you know the email address I can send it to?

You also sent me this link: Would it be easier to look for a birth certificate there?

http://www.familysearch.org/eng/library ... +Roccapalu

Thank you for any help and for all you were able to uncover. I would never have found any of it since the names are so different!

Kate Tomasino
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Houston, Texas 77084
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01 Novembre 2011
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Comune di Roccapalumba
90020 Roccapalumba PA
ITALY

Egregi Signori,
Mi chiamo Kate Tomasino, ed abito negli Stati Uniti all'indirizzo sopradetto. Cerco informazioni sul mio bisnonno, Vincenzo (Vincent) Mistretta. Nato nel comune di Roccapalumba. Cerco questi dati per conoscere meglio la mia famiglia, e per trovare i miei parenti rimasti in Italia.
Vi sarei molto grato se poteste spedirmi l'estratto dell'atto di nascita di Vincenzo Mistretta, in carta libera. Nato nel 1887 o 1890. Sposato Mary Greco, Stati Uniti.
Vi ringrazio in anticipo per la vostra gentilezza e premura, e vi prego di addebitarmi tutte le spese postali e dei certificati.


ESTRATTO ATTO DI NASCITA- Modello Plurilingue di: MISTRETTA Vincenzo nato a Roccapalumba il 4/17/1887 o 1890, figlio di Carmelo e ??? Maria

Richiesta di certificato di nascita ufficiale

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2011, 22:40

Hi, better this txt:


Spett.le Ufficio di Stato Civile
Via Leonardo Avellone 30
90020 Roccapalumba (PA)
ITALY
email: anagrafe @ comune.roccapalumba.pa.it (NO SPACES PLEASE)

Oggetto: Richiesta ESTRATTO ATTO DI NASCITA- Modello Plurilingue di MISTRETTA Vincenzo nato a Roccapalumba classe 1887 circa, figlio di Carmelo.

Spett.le Ufficio di Stato Civile,

la sottoscritta Kate Tomasino, cittadina statunitense di origini italiane con la presente cortesemente richiede a codesto spett.le Ufficio di Stato Civile di poter ricevere, a fini jus sanguinis, ESTRATTO ATTO DI NASCITA- Modello Plurilingue del proprio antenato emigrato in Texas (USA) nel 1894:

-MISTRETTA Vincenzo nato a Roccapalumba classe 1887 circa, figlio di Carmelo e Maria.

Sui documenti statunitensi la data di nascita risulta il 17 Aprile 1887, ma non so se essa sia perfettamente corretta; certamente il mio antenato aveva 7 anni di età quando emigrò.

Se spese sono dovute prego informarmene che sarà mia premura rimetterle al più presto.

Ringraziando per la sensibile attenzione, mi è gradita l'occasione per porgere i miei più distinti saluti,


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Houston, Texas 77084
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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 01 Nov 2011, 22:45

PS: Vincent mother, the first name was Maria; Rose was the mother of Mary Greco; the informant on Vincent death certificate made confusion; surely the mother of Vincent was Maria, maybe Maria MANCA( so I read on the ship's manifest) married Mistretta... however the txt explain all so the civil records officer can find the birth act...
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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby kat2412 » 20 Jul 2012, 23:08

Hi Suanj,

For the past year, I have been searching for my family's documents. I have found countless records that you helped lead me to. There is only one document that I have not been able to find, the marriage certificate of Vincent Mistretta and Mary Greco. In one of your responses to this thread, dated Oct. 26, you said you believed Vincent and Mary were married in Texas. My question is, in your search for my family members -- was there any evidence you found that shows they were married in Texas? As of right now, I don't know where they were married or the date which is making it impossible to find a marriage license for them.. Any information you have about this or where I could look for more information, would be helpful. Thanks!

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Re: Vincent Mistretta -- New Orleans/Texas

Postby suanj » 21 Jul 2012, 11:47

it was just a my idea because in 1920 census the oldest daughter was born in Texas:

name: Vincent Mistrato
residence: , Orleans, Louisiana
estimated birth year: 1888
age: 32
birthplace: Louisiana
relationship to head of household: Self
gender: Male
race: White
marital status: Married
father's birthplace: Italy
mother's birthplace: Italy
film number: 1820618
digital folder number: 4300973
image number: 00683
sheet number: 2
Household Gender Age Birthplace
self Vincent Mistrato M 32y Louisiana
wife Mary Mistrato F 24y Texas
dau Mary Mistrato F 6y Texas
dau Rosie Mistrato F 3y Louisiana
dau Lucy Mistrato F 2y Louisiana
son Carmello Mistrato M 1m Louisiana

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