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Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 14 Nov 2011, 15:30

Good morning everyone.

I am looking for information on my great grandfather Daniel Champ (Donato Ciamp) from what I know, Rapone Italy.

He was born July 9, 1868. I just received confirmation of his naturalization in 1915. He was married to Teresa Pinto, and when they came to America, they had 3 children (born in Italy): Nicholas Daniel (Nico), Margaret, and Peter Dominick.

I am just getting started on my grandmothers family, since I am stumped on my grandfathers side, and thought I would see if anyone could help me find out some information to go on.

I would appreciate it. Thanks!

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby adelfio » 14 Nov 2011, 16:01

I see that the Famiy History Library has record of the town of Rapone
only for Registro dello stato civile di Rapone (Potenza), 1809-1860 have you contacted Rapone to see if there are other records available for 1860-1900's and if they dont have them where you can get them.
Also i think that the name Ciamp is probally spelled Ciampa in Rapone
Did they settle in Hartford area?

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 14 Nov 2011, 16:25

They did settle in the Hartford Area. The name has so many different spellings--and I do believe it is Ciampa in Rapone. It is listed as Champ on his naturalization papers.

Also, I ordered the copy of his naturalization hoping it would verify his hometown of Rapone. But, I have one question--he was naturalized the same time as his wife and children. Do I need to order copies of his wifes also? Would it give me different information or will it state all that I am looking for on his records?

I have her maiden name as Teresa Pinto--but cannot find information about her either. Once it goes overseas, I have a hard time.

I sent away for copies of my grandfathers birth records, along with his brothers on the Palmieri side, and never heard back anything except one birth record --for my grandfather. The others I sent for, one--Orazio, I even had an exact birth date for reference--just nothing from Italy.

So, I was hoping to find out all I could on the America side first. Then, send away for records in Italy.

Is there an easier way to find information from Italy?

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Postby suanj » 14 Nov 2011, 18:03

I found a yrip of Donato Ciampa from Rapone( last residence), already in USA from 1891-1893 joining at brother Giovanni in Hartford, CT:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Donato Ciampia Name: Donato Ciampia
Arrival Date: 20 Dec 1900
Birth Year: abt 1868
Age: 32
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Furst Bismarck


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Postby Biff83 » 14 Nov 2011, 19:48

Possible manifest for Donato Ciampa's parents, Vito and Margherita Pinto. Lines 3 and 4. From census records, there appear to have been two Donato Ciampa's living in Hartford. One married to Teresa; the other to Rosa. So this manifest could be for either's parents.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0003

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 14 Nov 2011, 20:25

Thanks!
The manifest for Donato Ciampas parents is interesting, as they had a daughter named Margherita (margeret Ciamp). If it goes by the traditional italian naming traditions, They had a son (1st born) named Nicholas, and then a daughter named Margherita (1st daughter.). The next son was named Peter, 2nd daughter Mary. So, Nico and Margherita Ciampa could very well be the names of Donatos parents. Nico--Vito? Any correlation?

Peter and Mary could be the Pinto family. Just curious--as I still get confused on the naming thing--Why would it list Margerita as a Pinto/wife in the manifest? Why would it not be ciampa?

Thanks for all the help--I truly appreciate it.

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 14 Nov 2011, 20:34

Another thing I was wondering--I know that Donato, Teresa, Nicolas, Margaret, and Peter were all born in Italy. They came over as a family. I dont know if anyone can find them as a family traveling from Italy. They census states that they all came to america in 1900. But, maybe they were here before then? I know census dates are rough and sometimes off a few years.

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby Biff83 » 14 Nov 2011, 20:35

Italian women retained their maiden names on legal documents.

Also found this manifest for Teresa (Maria Teresa) and children. Lines 18 and following.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0018

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Postby Biff83 » 15 Nov 2011, 18:08

Possible 1897 manifest for Donato Ciampa. Last residence Rapone. Based on age the approximate year of birth is correct. Line 27. Joining cousin Nicola Ricciardi in K(C)anda.

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0027

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 15 Nov 2011, 20:20

I want to thank everyone for helping me find information. I am also wanting to get advice on writing a letter to the commune of Rapone for my great grandfathers birth record.

I am sending that letter tomorrow, and used an Italian genealogy website to translate for me and tell me what to print. What I am wondering, is since I know the whole family resided there before coming to America, and that is where he was born, would it be a good thing for me to send multiple requests in one envelope? Or, should I request them all separately.

I wanted to request Donato's birth and marriage record. Do you think if I do this, it will be answered, or should I do one at a time.

I have sent quite a few letters off to Italy for my grandfathers records--and did them all separately, and only one has ever come back to me. Even when I knew exact dates--I still only ever received the first one I ever sent away for.

Looking for a bit of advice on how to go about getting the records I need. Thanks for your help--I truly appreciate it.

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby Biff83 » 15 Nov 2011, 20:56

misschristi16 wrote:I wanted to request Donato's birth and marriage record. Do you think if I do this, it will be answered, or should I do one at a time.

I have sent quite a few letters off to Italy for my grandfathers records--and did them all separately, and only one has ever come back to me. Even when I knew exact dates--I still only ever received the first one I ever sent away for.

Looking for a bit of advice on how to go about getting the records I need. Thanks for your help--I truly appreciate it.


Since you have his birth date, I would request both his birth and marriage records. Make sure to request integral copies of the documents not extracts since the integral copies contain a wealth of additional information.

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby misschristi16 » 15 Nov 2011, 21:08

I did not know I could request different types of documents. How do I request an integral copy?

I use this letter from this website: http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

Is there a better one I should send?

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Re: Looking for Information about Daniel Champ

Postby adelfio » 15 Nov 2011, 22:04

Heres a good site for info on writing a letter to Italy for records
click on prompt
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/search/ ... talian.ASP

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