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Desimone (Desmone)

Postby JCDesimone » 05 Jan 2012, 03:28

Hello to all!!

I am curious about my great-grandfather and great-grandmother and to see if there is any remaining family in Italy. My great grandfathers name was Sam Desimone but on our family tree it is notated as "Desmone"...no idea if the "i" was purposely changed or lost somewhere along the way.He was born Dec 29, 1892. All I have heard from the few remaining family is that our family came from Sardinia. Sam married Beatrice Pagel in Italy and then came to the US sometime after. Together they had 8 children in Michigan (the 6th being my grandfather Norman James Desimone. He doesn't speak much about his parents. So long story short, if anyone knows any info about this branch of the family tree please feel free to pass along!

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby princessbubbles_1 » 05 Jan 2012, 14:23

Hello and welcome,
here is a marriage cert from Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
for Sam Desimone and Beatrice Pagel. they are on the 3rd line down on the list.
Groom's Name:
Sam Desimone
Groom's Age:
30 years
Groom's Birth Date:
1893
Groom's Birthplace:
Italy
Bride's Name:
Beatrice Pagel
Bride's Age:
18 years
Bride's Birth Date:
1905
Bride's Birthplace:
Michigan
Marriage Type:
Marriage Date:
27 Aug 1923
Marriage Place:
Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Groom's Father:
Joseph
Groom's Mother:
Beatrice
Bride's Father:
Geo.
Bride's Mother:
Alvira

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... cc=1452395
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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby princessbubbles_1 » 05 Jan 2012, 15:10

possible death records for sam and beatrice,

First Name:
Sam
Middle Name:
Last Name:
Desimone
Name Suffix:
Birth Date:
29 December 1892
Social Security Number:
377-09-1091
Place of Issuance:
Michigan
Last Residence:
Hale, Iosco, Michigan
Zip Code of Last Residence:
48739
Death Date:
April 1980
Estimated Age at Death:
88
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JKZ2-XPK

First Name:
Beatrice
Middle Name:
Last Name:
Desimone
Name Suffix:
Birth Date:
4 June 1906
Social Security Number:
364-18-3168
Place of Issuance:
Michigan
Last Residence:
Hale, Iosco, Michigan
Zip Code of Last Residence:
48739
Death Date:
February 1985
Estimated Age at Death:
79
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JPRL-857
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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 05 Jan 2012, 16:59

1930 census--shows Sam's birthplace as New York? and was a veteran of WWI.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/2451 ... ne1930.jpg

1920 census for Beatrice Pagel with parents and siblings, lines 3 and following

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/3890/zzpagel1920.jpg

Beatrice's Parents' (George Pagel and Ella Woodcock) Marriage Record, no 56

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 05 Jan 2012, 18:14

Possible 1920 census for Sam DeSimone (line 96)

http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/5017 ... ne1920.jpg

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby suanj » 05 Jan 2012, 18:26

Hi, I found this WWI record, but just a probable record:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Joe James Simone
Name: Joe James Simone
City: Detroit
County: Wayne
State: Michigan
Birthplace: Sicily;Italy
Birth Date: 8 Dec 1892
Race: Caucasian (White)
FHL Roll Number: 2023748
DraftBoard: 1

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby JCDesimone » 05 Jan 2012, 18:51

Wow!! Thank you all so much in passing the info along and helping me. Its so amazing to see such history. I am curious as to why Sam would state on the 1920's census that he is from Italy (immigrated in 1907) but change that on the 1930's census. I do know that when they immigrated the reason we havent much info is because when they came over they were now "Americans". No italian language was allowed and so forth. I am still not certain if Sam came from
Sardinia or not. And as for the WW1 Vet status that is new to me as well. Hmmmm....very interesting.

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 05 Jan 2012, 19:09

The 1920 census might be for your Sam DeSimone. No way to know for sure at this point.

The birthplace of New York on the 1930 census could be incorrect; and he could have been a WWI vet in either the US or Italian army. If he served in the Italian army, he would have emigrated after the war.

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 05 Jan 2012, 20:22

Based on the Michigan marriage record, here's a wild guess manifest for Sam (Salvatore) with parents and siblings. lines 17 and following.
Salvatore born about 1891
Father: Giuseppe (Joseph)
Mother: Benedetta (Beatrice on the marriage record?) Latino
Brother and sister: Santi and Maria
Last residence: San Marco d'Alunzio, Messina, Sicily

http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0020

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 05 Jan 2012, 20:32

Your Sam Desimone might be Santi not Salvatore on the manifest above although the approximate year of birth is off. Check the naturalization markings in the occupation column on the manifest for Santi. The 8 stands for Detroit naturaliztion office.

Michigan Naturalization Index Card
Name: Santen Desimone
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1892
State: Michigan
Locality, Court: Detroit, District Court
Feb 4 1941

http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/3396 ... onenat.jpg

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby suanj » 05 Jan 2012, 21:27

again me and this record is abt your Sam, also if the first name and birthyear is different:
United States, World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 for Santen Desimone

Name: Santen Desimone
Event: Military
Event Date: 1942
Event Place: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Residence: Detroit, Wayne, Michigan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 29 Dec 1889
Film Number: 1670015
Digital Folder Number: 4673431
Image Number: 05074
wife: Beatrice DeSimone

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so the first name is Santino( =Santo/Santi) De Simone and born in 1889....
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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby Biff83 » 06 Jan 2012, 00:33

1910 Manhattan NY census for Joseph Desimone, wife Benedetta and children Santi, Salvatore and Maria.

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/6606 ... ne1910.jpg

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Re: Desimone (Desmone)

Postby JCDesimone » 06 Jan 2012, 17:22

Thank you again so much. I have taken all I have learned and looked up the one and only Desimone in San Marco and emailed. I will keep you all posted on if this is a distant relative or not!!



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