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Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingoglia

Postby emarie » 16 Jan 2012, 06:07

Hi there!

I have been searching for a very long time with no luck on finding information on my great grandfather. My grandfather's name was Joseph Asposito (1925-1996). His father went by "Novio", but this was a nickname, his birth name may have been James according to my dad. This search is tricky because our last name changed upon his arrival at Ellis Island, from "Esposito" to "Asposito". Novio's wife's name was Grace Ingoglia. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Italysearcher » 16 Jan 2012, 09:00

Esposito was a surname given to foundlings. It was very common in the Naples area but also in many other parts of Italy. Even if you find trace of them in Italy at some point the line will end with an abandoned baby.
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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 16 Jan 2012, 19:22

emarie wrote:Hi there!

I have been searching for a very long time with no luck on finding information on my great grandfather. My grandfather's name was Joseph Asposito (1925-1996). His father went by "Novio", but this was a nickname, his birth name may have been James according to my dad. This search is tricky because our last name changed upon his arrival at Ellis Island, from "Esposito" to "Asposito". Novio's wife's name was Grace Ingoglia. Any help would be very much appreciated. Thanks!


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What Italysearcher says is true, but let's see how far we can go :-)

Your GF Joseph Asposito (1925-1996) - born in US?
Your GGF - Novio - about when did he and Grace (Grazia?) arrived in US? AND where did they settle?

IS THIS YOUR JOSEPH?
Name: Joseph S. Asposito
Also Known As:
Event: Death
Event Date: 28 Nov 1996
Event Place: Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan
Residence: Gaines, Kent, Michigan
Gender: Male
Birth Date: 11 Nov 1925
Death Certificate Number: 076349

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 16 Jan 2012, 19:27

POSSIBLE SSDI for your GF??

First Name: Joseph
Middle Name: S
Last Name: Asposito
Name Suffix:
Birth Date: 11 November 1925
Social Security Number: 364-24-XXXX
Place of Issuance: Michigan
Last Residence: Kent, Michigan
Zip Code of Last Residence: 49508
Death Date: 28 November 1996
Estimated Age at Death: 71

I have sent you the last four digits of the SS# in a private message.


You can request his Social Security Application from this site for a fee.
It should give you the names of his parents and his place of birth...

http://genealogy.about.com/gi/o.htm?zi= ... t/main.jsp

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 17 Jan 2012, 16:32

This search is tricky because our last name changed upon his arrival at Ellis Island, from "Esposito" to "Asposito".


Can you post this manifest?

And a few questions...
What years did "Novio" and Grace immigrate?
Where did they settle in US?
What were their children's names?

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 17 Jan 2012, 16:54

Found a POSSIBLE 1930 Census for James and Grace Esposito...

Name was horribly misspelled on the census as ESPICTS - and transcribed that way :?

1930 United States Federal Census
about James Espicts
Name: James Espicts
Birth Year: abt 1899
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1930: Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan
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Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Grace Espicts
Occupation: salesman - grocery
Household Members:
Name Age
James Espicts 31
Grace Espicts 45
Josephine Espicts 14
Joseph Espicts 4

Looking at the census, it appears that "James" immigrated in 1920, and Grace in 1907.
She is 45 and he is 31 years of age in 1930, putting his DOB at about 1899 and hers at about 1885.
It would appear that the son, Joseph, age 4, could be your GF - born in Michigan :-)
Josephine is listed as "stepdaughter" and born in Illinois, which would indicate that Grace was married before. Maybe INGOGLIA was her married name? before marrying James?
James indicates he married at age 25... so they were married for about 6 years in 1930.
The census also states that Grace is Naturalized...

Address was 711 Ionia Ave, Grand Rapids, Kent County, Michigan.

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Postby suanj » 17 Jan 2012, 17:08

great find Tessa!
I found a strange record:

Name: Vincent Dilse
Gender: Male
Burial Date: 15 Mar 1958
Burial Place: Grand Rapids, Kent, Mich.
Death Date: 14 Mar 1958
Death Place: Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo, Michigan
Age: 68
Birth Date: 18 Dec 1889
Birthplace: Italy
Occupation: Laborer
Race: White
Marital Status: Widowed
Spouse's Name: Grace Schinnonilli Asposito Dilse
Father's Name:
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Name:
Mother's Birthplace:
Indexing Project (Batch) Number: B01112-0
System Origin: Michigan-EASy
Source Film Number: 2113664
Reference Number: rn 81

Grace Schinnonilli Asposito Dilse could be the Grace that the poster searching for?
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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 17 Jan 2012, 22:13

Hi, suanj! :-)

Yes, I also saw that record and agree that maybe it is the "Grace" the poster is referring to.
Brings in some other names to find! :o

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby suanj » 18 Jan 2012, 10:49

Yes Tessa, it must be the right Grace...
I found also this record, and I am positive that is right also:
Groom's Name: James Aspeuts
Groom's Race:
Groom's Age: 26 years
Groom's Birth Date: 1898
Groom's Birthplace: Italy
Bride's Name: Grace Semonella Leemonella ( Scimonella/i??
Bride's Race:
Bride's Age: 38 years
Bride's Birth Date: 1886
Bride's Birthplace: Italy
Marriage Type:
Marriage Date: 15 Sep 1924
Marriage Place: Grand Rapids, Kent, Michigan
Groom's Father: Onops Aspluito ( Onofrio Esposito)
Groom's Mother: Antonia Balfiora
Bride's Father: Frank Seemonella ( Frank Scimonella/i?)
Bride's Mother: Josephine Limismel ( Josephine Scimonella/i?)
Groom's Marital Status:
Groom's Previous Wife:
Bride's Marital Status:
Bride's Previous Husband:
Film Number: 2342763
Frame Number:
Digital Folder Number: 4210109
Image Number: 171
Reference Number: v 4 rn 2783


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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby suanj » 18 Jan 2012, 11:46

I believe that Frank Scimonelli ( Francesco Scimonelli) last residence:
Montevago ( Agrigento province, Sicily, IT), well he was born around the 1843;

he was married at Giuseppa( Josephine) maiden name Li Manni;

I found a trip and detained alient record, abt Francesco Scimonelli with a adopted son:
Michele Liberale age 9;
both joining at Giuseppa Li Manni in 149 Central Ave Brooklyn, New York, NY

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Francesco Scimonelli
Name: Francesco Scimonelli
Arrival Date: 27 May 1903
Birth Year: abt 1844
Age: 59
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Liguria

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detained alien:
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previous trips, crossed of Michele Liberale:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Michele Liberale Name: Michele Liberale
Arrival Date: 6 Nov 1902
Birth Year: abt 1893
Age: 9
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Liguria

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Michele Liberale Name: Michele Liberale
Arrival Date: 13 May 1903
Birth Year: abt 1894
Age: 9
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of Departure: Napoli
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Sardegna

World War I Draft Registration Cards, 1917-1918 about Michael Liberale
Name: Michael Liberale
City: Brooklyn
County: Kings
State: New York
Birthplace: Sicily;Italy
Birth Date: 5 Jul 1893
Race: White
FHL Roll Number: 1754597
DraftBoard: 69

born in Salaparuta, living with the mother....


Grazia Scimonelli and Provvidenza Scimonelli ( maybe her cousin), trip:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Grazia Scimonelli
Name: Grazia Scimonelli
Arrival Date: 19 Oct 1899
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 20
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Spartan Prince

coming from Montevago, joining at mother Giuseppa Li Manni ( maiden name) in Brooklyn, New York, NY
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I believe that this Grazia is Grazia married at James Esposito
(changed in Asposito in USA); her birth year must be 1879 right...
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Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2012, 14:59

Hi suanj! BRAVA! :D

I think you are RIGHT! and your "two cents" is worth "a million bucks!"

That certainly looks like the Grace that married James Esposito/Asposito.

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby suanj » 18 Jan 2012, 17:03

Thanks Tessa :wink: ; I am pretty sure that is the right Grace, and she married at Ingoglia, Esposito, and Dilse (spell?);
here Giuseppa Li Manni arrival:

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Guiseppa Li Manni
Name: Guiseppa Li Manni
Arrival Date: 26 Nov 1898
Birth Year: abt 1849
Age: 49

Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Spartan Prince

joining at daughter Antonina Scimonelli

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Antonina Scimonelli, (sister of Grazia) arrived on 14 Aug 1898:


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Antonino Di Francesco Scimonelli
Name: Antonino Di Francesco Scimonelli (=Antonina daughter of Francesco Scimonelli)
Arrival Date: 14 Aug 1898
Birth Year: abt 1876
Age: 22
Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Tartar Prince

and joining at cousin Rosa Ingoglia in Brooklyn, NY

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another sister of Grace( Grazia) Scimonelli was Maria Scimonelli


New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Maria Scimonelli
Name: Maria Scimonelli
Arrival Date: 28 May 1900
Birth Year: abt 1877
Age: 23

Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race­/Nationality: Italian
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Tartar Prince
in travel with Gaspare Governale 38 old, ( son in law of Giuseppa Li Manni Scimonelli) and with little Cristoforo Colombo brother ( maybe step brother of Scimonelli sisters, as Michele Liberale) and all joining at Giuseppa Li Manni Scimonelli in Brooklyn, NY
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all the records just for understand better the family members; it very possible that Grace Scimonelli married at a Ingoglia, but where??

However abt James Esposito son of Onoftio Esposito and Antonia nee Belfiore we must know the right first name: James.. maybe Vincenzo?? the birthplace could be Acerra?? we can find a Esposito born around 1899 father Onofrio and mother Antonia or Antonietta Belfiore....
just my suggestion....
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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2012, 22:19

all the records just for understand better the family members; it very possible that Grace Scimonelli married at a Ingoglia, but where??


It is possible that Grace married "Mr. Ingoglia" in Illinois, since that is where the daughter Josephine (age 14 in the 1930 census) was born... :-)
What do you think?

Found these births in the Cook County Clerk's Listing...
The "1917" date seems more likely for a possible match with Grace's daughter?

INGOGLIA, JOSEPHINE Birth 6016845 3/17/1922
INGOGLIA, JOSIE Birth 6015573 5/7/1917

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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby Tessa78 » 18 Jan 2012, 22:42

Hello, suanj!

Could it be that the ANTONIA SCIMONELLI you referenced above in Giuseppa LiManni's manifest is actually Grace and not a sister?

I say this because I found this marriage record from BROOKLYN...
Could this be Grace and the first husband INGOGLIA? Unless the sisters both married with Ingoglia?

Scimonella Antonia Jan 24 1901 Kings Cert# 518
Ingogliaco Giuseppe Jan 24 1901 Kings Cert# 518


Edit:
Just looked at the manifest for Antonino/Antonina di Francesco - it is a male
...


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Re: Trying to break through a brick wall: E/Asposito, Ingogl

Postby suanj » 19 Jan 2012, 11:07

Dear Tessa, Grazia is not Antonia; they was sisters; here the arrival of Grazia Scimonelli in my orevious post:

Grazia Scimonelli and Provvidenza Scimonelli ( maybe her cousin), trip:
New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957 about Grazia Scimonelli
Name: Grazia Scimonelli
Arrival Date: 19 Oct 1899
Birth Year: abt 1879
Age: 20

Gender: Female
Ethnicity/Race¬/Nationality: Italian
Port of Departure: Naples, Italy
Port of Arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Spartan Prince

coming from Montevago, joining at mother Giuseppa Li Manni ( maiden name) in Brooklyn, New York, NY
http://postimage.org/image/72h9vls97/


abt
INGOGLIA, JOSIE Birth 6015573 5/7/1917


Cook County, Illinois, Birth Certificates Index, 1871-1922
about Josie Ingoglia Name: Josie Ingoglia
Birth Date: 7 May 1917
Birth Place: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Gender: Female
Father Name: John Ingoglia
Father's Age: 31
Mother Name: Jennie Sciroppo
Mother's Age: 29
FHL Film Number: 1276315

the mother name is no Grace Scimonelli; who know where Josephine.... stepdaughter of James A/Esposito wwas born? on the 1930 census her birthplace is Illinois...

However abt James Esposito we have just the probable birth year; and parent's names...

my first idea was that James (US first name used for Italian Vincenzo) was born in Acerra ( Naples province, IT)

and , by LDS * I found the military draft card of Vincenzo ESPOSITO born in Acerra on 10 june 1898, son of Onofrio ESPOSITO and Antonia BELFIORE
(* Italy, Napoli, Acerra, Civil Registration (Comune), 1809-1929
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/T ... Fwaypoints )

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as a well the birth act:

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Vincenzo Esposito was born at home: Via Maddalena, 5 Acerra (5 Maddalena st, Acerra) the informant was the midwife, because Onofrio was at work...

so we must find the arrival of Vincenzo Esposito born in Acerra on 1898...

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