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Italian Death Records

Postby rp76226 » 17 Jan 2012, 19:01

I've noticed that on an Italian death record, there are two witnesses, and also two people "reporting" the death. Why both? Does that mean that the witnesses don't show up to report the death?

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Postby Italysearcher » 17 Jan 2012, 20:18

You probably also noticed that none of them are doctors. In England and I believe North America a doctor is the one who proclaims cause of death. In Italy two people reported the death I assume so that if foul play was involved someone would report this. The two witnesses are just people who witnessed the signing (or not in the case of illiterate persons) of the act.
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Re: Italian Death Records

Postby rp76226 » 17 Jan 2012, 20:41

It appears from some of the last names, that both the witnesses and the ones reporting the death could be family. Wouldn't the witnesses of the signing work at the Civil Office? Otherwise, where would they get the witnesses, just go out in the street and find them?

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Postby adelfio » 17 Jan 2012, 21:01

Sometime its relatives just like here as informat for a death record thats why records vary so much. Hey Giuesppe you know how old Giovanni is? Yeh I thinka hes abouta 75-80 yeah thats right. I think he was born in Palermo some where. Yeh thats right.
Thats why sometimes you see the word becchino (gravedigger) on the witnesses occupation it could be anyone as a witness.
I seen I some of my records the same people on birth acts as witnesses for 10 years

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Postby Italysearcher » 17 Jan 2012, 23:54

The 'becchino' now the Funeral Director today, often reported the death. Look at the bottom of the record. If the witnesses actually signed the record (and the deceased family were illiterate) then they probably weren't related even if they had the same surname.
And yes, the witnesses were often people hanging around City Hall just for that purpose. You will often see the same witnesses on successive records.
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Re: Italian Death Records

Postby rp76226 » 18 Jan 2012, 00:07

What would the "profession" be listed as for those waiting around city hall to be witnesses. I have one record where the witnesses and those reporting the death of an 18 year old girl were all sulpher miners, so I'm guessing that these witnesses were not sitting around city hall. Birth and marriage records also have witnesses, but family members seem to do the reporting. I guess these witnesses may also be people waiting around city hall. I guess the incentive must have been some kind of monetary reimbursement.

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Postby Italysearcher » 18 Jan 2012, 08:52

Now you are thinking like an Italian. Then again, it was usually 6pm, a couple of hours before dinner for anyone except a 'contadino'. Maybe their wives just wanted them out of the house and they wanted an excuse to show off their education.
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Postby pink67 » 18 Jan 2012, 14:43

rp76226 wrote:I've noticed that on an Italian death record, there are two witnesses, and also two people "reporting" the death. Why both? Does that mean that the witnesses don't show up to report the death?


this is the link to the italian "Codice Civile del Regno d'Italia" of the year 1865... Starting from page 114 the Rules about the "Atti dello Stato Civile" and from page 126 the rules about the Death acts:

http://books.google.it/books?id=ygslqbx ... &q&f=false

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