Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

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Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby ZacsDad2016 » 29 Jan 2012, 18:17

I was pointed to this website from a post I made on the genealogy section of Craiglist. I am a paid user of Ancestry.com and have been at a dead end road in my Italian ancestry search. The following family is who I am searching for, and am wondering if anyone may have any clues or tips:

Several brothers that came to America have listed their parents as Lorenzo (Lawerence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni. Amelia has been noted to have a maiden name of Quilici.

Notations as to Residence in Italy have been Lammari and Lucca.

The siblings are Angelo born about 1875, Louis born about 1885, Domenick born about 1886, Michael (Michele) born about 1890, Silvio born about 1900, Lawrence (no birth history) and a possible sister named Teresa (no birth record).

Angelo immigrated somewhere prior to 1900. Louis around 1902, Domenick around 1903, Michael around 1907, Silvio around 1923. Lawrence is noted to never have immigrated, and the possible sister is noted in Angelo's obituary in 1951 in Butte, Montana as living in Chicagao with a married name of Tambellini.

Most all of the brothers ended up working in the mines in Butte, Montana. Michael is my great grandfather and passed away in 1987.

Louis is said to have never married, but I do have a Louis that was reportedly married for a short time in California who does seem to fit the rest of the family as living in Montana as well.

I apologize that I can't speak and/or write Italian, so I am hoping that someone may recognize this family from their ancestry research.

Thank you,

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 22:46

Hello Jerry and welcome! :-)

Could this be your ANGELO?
Living in Montana in 1930 with wife Emily, children Victor and Dora... looks like brother Louis is also living with him...

Name: Angelo Castiglioni
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Meaderville, Silver Bow, Montana
Gender: Male
Age: 55
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1875
Immigration Year: 1892
Relationship to Head of Household: Head
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy
Enumeration District Number: 0050
Family Number: 18
Sheet Number and Letter: 1B
Line Number: 77
NARA Publication: T626, roll 1262
Film Number: 2340997
Digital Folder Number: 4610694
Image Number: 00888
Household Gender Age
Angelo Castiglioni M 55
Spouse Emily Castiglioni F 46
Child Victor F Castiglioni M 17
Child Dora C Castiglioni F 6
Louis Castiglioni M 44


ALSO - a POSSIBLE death index for Angelo in Montana in March 1951...
Name: Angelo Castiglioni
Event: Death
Event Date: 16 Mar 1951
Event Place: Silver Bow, Montana
Gender: Male
Age: 76
Marital Status: Unknown
Estimated Birth Year: 1875
SSN:
Record County: Silver Bow
Record Year: 0
Index Number: SB 7913

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 22:56

Here is a POSSIBLE marriage record for Angelo's son Leon (not shown on the 1930 census because this marriage took place in 1929 :-) )

Leon was 23 and born in Lucca. Marriage took place in Butte, Montana.

Name: Leon Castiglioni
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 05 Oct 1929
Event Place: Silver Bow, , Montana
Age: 23
Marital Status:
Previous Spouse:
Race:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Estimated Birth Year: 1906
Father: Angelo Castiglioni
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother: Emily Buton
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse: Dorothy Mooney
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1910
Spouse's Father: James Frances Mooney
Spouse's Father's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Mother: Tillie Olson
Spouse's Mother's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Paternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Paternal Grandmother:
Spouse's Maternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Maternal Grandmother:
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: 19701
Film Number: 1939681
Digital Folder Number: 4351391
Image Number: 869

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 22:59

ANOTHER marriage - daughter "Elenor Castiglioni" in 1927 in Montana

Name: Ralph Guelfi
Titles & Terms:
Event: Marriage
Event Date: 12 Nov 1927
Event Place: Silver Bow, , Montana
Age: 29
Marital Status:
Previous Spouse:
Race:
Birth Date:
Birthplace:
Estimated Birth Year: 1898
Father: Adolph Guelfi
Father's Titles & Terms:
Mother: Adele Guidi
Mother's Titles & Terms:
Paternal Grandfather:
Paternal Grandmother:
Maternal Grandfather:
Maternal Grandmother:
Additional Relatives:
Spouse: Elenor Castiglioni
Spouse's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Age: 19
Spouse's Marital Status:
Spouse's Race:
Spouse's Birth Date:
Spouse's Birthplace:
Spouse's Estimated Birth Year: 1908
Spouse's Father: Angelo Castiglioni
Spouse's Father's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Mother: Emelia Butoni
Spouse's Mother's Titles & Terms:
Spouse's Paternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Paternal Grandmother:
Spouse's Maternal Grandfather:
Spouse's Maternal Grandmother:
Volume/Page/Certificate Number: 18242
Film Number: 1939681
Digital Folder Number: 4351391
Image Number: 119

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 23:04

Louis is said to have never married, but I do have a Louis that was reportedly married for a short time in California who does seem to fit the rest of the family as living in Montana as well


Information about Louis Castiglioni from the above 1930 Census, living with Angelo

Name: Louis Castiglioni
Event: Census
Event Date: 1930
Event Place: Meaderville, Silver Bow, Montana
Gender: Male
Age: 44
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Birthplace: Italy
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
Immigration Year: 1907
Relationship to Head of Household: Brother
Father's Birthplace: Italy
Mother's Birthplace: Italy

In 1920, Louis was living with nephew, Domenick, and family.
Also living with Domenick was his mother Emily (Emilia?) Butori, and brother Leon


Name: Lewis Castigloini
Residence: , Silver Bow, Montana
Estimated Birth Year: 1885
Age: 35
Birthplace: Italy
Relationship to Head of Household: Uncle
Gender: Male
Race: White
Marital Status: Single
Father's Birthplace:
Mother's Birthplace:
Film Number: 1820976
Digital Folder Number: 4313244
Image Number: 01097
Sheet Number: 15
Household Gender Age
Domenick Castigloini M 32y
Hazel Castigloini F 24y
Emil Castigloini M 5y
Henry Castigloini M 4y
Mary Butori F 63y (Italian women used their maiden names)
Leon Butori M 33y (probably Leon Castiglioni)
Lewis Castigloini M 35y


From Montana Death Index
Name: Louis Castiglioni
Event: Death
Event Date: 23 Sep 1970
Event Place: Silver Bow, Montana
Gender:
Age: 84
Marital Status: Single
Estimated Birth Year: 1886
SSN:
Record County: Silver Bow
Record Year: 0
Index Number: 4790
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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 23:29

You probably have this, but I'll post it for reference...

Border Crossing in December 1920 of Angelo and his family
into Vermont - home listed in Montana
indicates naturalized in Oct 1920 in court in Silver Bow

Wife, Emily
Children: Mary, Leone, Eleonore, Vittorio

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 29 Jan 2012, 23:37

On his US Passport Application, Angelo lists his father's name as "Dominick" from Lamari, Italy

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby ZacsDad2016 » 30 Jan 2012, 03:35

Tessa,

Hi, and thank you for the welcome. I'm sorry that I just now saw all your posts. I have to also apologize that I wasn't very clear in my request. However, you are correct in all that you have posted, but where I am stuck is beyond all the brothers, from the parents, Lorenzo and Amelia, and upward into Italy, etc.

First of all, I have to ask....WHERE did you get that passport photo?? I have all the other stuff that you so graciously posted for me, but have never seen the passport for Angelo.

Angelo is the one that has thrown a kink in the discovery to Italy. You are right, he does list his father as Domenick and his mother (on a marriage license I have for him) as Christine. However, everything else about this individual falls right in place with the rest of my family. My mom is still alive, so she has told me as much as she can remember about the Castiglioni families in Butte, Montana. Mom was about 15 when Angelo died. Out of all the brothers in Butte, Angelo is the only one that made several trips back to Italy.

It wasn't until I saw the marriage license that the wierd 'parent' thing came into play. Everyone always heard that Lorenzo was their father. Everything else about the marriage license ties exactly in with the rest of the family. Who he married, the children they had...etc.

I am going to post a picture of the marriage license to show both the father and mother as listed by Angelo.

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Postby ZacsDad2016 » 30 Jan 2012, 03:37

It wouldn't let me post a picture. Kept saying the board attachment limit has been reached.

I had Silvio's (Sylvio) marriage license to show how he listed his father as Lawrence and his mother as Amelia

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby suanj » 30 Jan 2012, 17:04

Hi,
I found this Teresa married Tambellini:

1930 United States Federal Census
about Joseph Tambellini
Name: Joseph Tambellini
Birth Year: abt 1868
Birthplace: Italy
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
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Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Theresa Tambellini
Occupation:

Education:

Military Service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph Tambellini 62
Theresa Tambellini 63
Mary Tambellini 30 b. in Italy
Jean Tambellini 21 b. in Michigan
Christine Tambellini 19 ditto
Inez Tambellini 17 ditto
possible arrival of Teresa with mother ( maybe mother in law) Carmelina 69 old wid.,and daughters: Maria and Giuseppina
pag 1 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0010

pag 2 http://www.ellisisland.org/EIFile/popup ... &line=0010

Teresa joining at Tambellini husband in Calumet, Michigan

abt Joseph Tambellini:
Birth: 06/30/1869 (30 Jun 1869) - Lucca, Toscana, Italy
Death: 12/18/1938 (18 Dec 1938) - Chicago, Cook, Illinois, USA
Parents: Domenic Tambellini, Carmelinda
Spouse: Theresa Castiglioni

Theresa Castiglioni
Birth abt 1867 in lucca Italy
Death Living
Death 1957 in Chicago, Cook, Illinois, United States



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Re: Lorenzo (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 30 Jan 2012, 17:26

ZacsDad2016 wrote:It wouldn't let me post a picture. Kept saying the board attachment limit has been reached.

I had Silvio's (Sylvio) marriage license to show how he listed his father as Lawrence and his mother as Amelia


We have found success with image-sharing sites such as http://postimage.org
And it's free!

First of all, I have to ask....WHERE did you get that passport photo?? I have all the other stuff that you so graciously posted for me, but have never seen the passport for Angelo.


I think I found that on familysearch.org :-)

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby ZacsDad2016 » 31 Jan 2012, 17:02

Something happened to my posts from yesterday, they were there last night, and now they are gone. Here is a summary of what I posted:

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Angelo's Marriage License showing Dominick as his father

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Silvio's Marriage License showing Lorenzo (Lawrence) as his father

I also was able to find Angelo's passport application on the Ancestry website. So it looks like I have two families to search for now. Who was once thought of to all be brothers are in fact cousins. I now believe, after looking at census files, that Angelo, Louis, Theresa and possibly Lawrence are siblings from one family and that Micheal, Dominick and Silvio are Siblings from another family.

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Postby Tessa78 » 31 Jan 2012, 21:26

I think you're headed in the right direction with two families :-)

Although it is not impossible, it is uncommon for siblings (Angelo B. 1875 - Silvio B. 1900) to be 25 years apart :-)

Searching for more arrival manifests for each of the siblings/cousins may provide more clues...

For instance (and you might already have this :-) )
Silvio's arrival in 1923 shows him leaving father Lorenzo in Lammari and going to brother Michele in Meaderville, Montana (147 Mott St.)

New York Passenger Lists, 1820-1957
about Silvio Castiglioni
Name: Silvio Castiglioni
Arrival Date: 8 Jul 1923
Birth Year: abt 1900
Birth Location: Italy
Birth Location Other: lammari
Age: 23
Gender: Male
Ethnicity/Race-
/Nationality: Italian (South) (Italian)
Port of departure: Naples, Italy
Port of arrival: New York, New York
Ship Name: Guglielmo Peirce

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby ZacsDad2016 » 31 Jan 2012, 23:01

Yes, I do have Silvio's manifest, and you are right, it never occurred to me about the age difference. I have been going on what has been told to me by family, and all the assumptions everyone 'thought'. I may be slow, but I do finally catch on ;) All part of the learning process I guess :-)

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Re: Lorenze (Lawrence) & Amelia (Emilia) Castiglioni - LUCCA

Postby Tessa78 » 01 Feb 2012, 02:26

It's part of the "journey!"
We just love those stories, and really, they are what we have to go on :-)

If the process was quick...it wouldn't give us the great satisfaction we get from our discoveries!!!

Enjoy the journey :-D

Have you thought about writing to the town of Lammari for birth records?

Lammari is a small hamlet of Capannori in Lucca Province. Most likely you would need to write to Capannori.

Address:
Ufficio dello Stato Civile
Piazza Aldo Moro, 1
55012 Capannori (LU)
ITALY

Help with letters of request in Italian.
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... talrecords
http://www.angelfire.com/ok3/pearlsofwi ... tter3.html
http://www.circolocalabrese.org/resourc ... civile.asp

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